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Thank you verry much. Ill do that and report back.

This carwash originally had a swip n clean system but is no longer being used. So maybe this is the reason. I was not aware that bays were wired diffrent if they had the keypad vs keypad with swipe Ive tried the timer in other bays and it did the same thing. I did test it at a driffrent...

That's what i thought i remembered. But when i plug a knowen good led6 timer in the horn just sounds continuously till i unplug it.

No. This is in a self serve meter box with the numeric phone key pad.

I thought i read that you could swap out the Colman timers for LED6 timers with no wiring changes but when i attempted this the horn would just continuously beep/sound. am i wrong with this assumption or do i need to change some wiring? Thanks in advance Robert