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It makes good sense to visit this site... and heed the warning!:(

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=566773


How does it go? An ounce of prevention... ? :rolleyes:

Or maybe... "A word to the wise... is sufficient."



A well-intentioned caution... to a bunch of friends.

-Steve
 

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Last year we discussed this actual thing. Although I never heard of it happening at a car wash, someone posted that they did (who was that... RPH?). Anyway... I did a long post on the history of legionaires disease because at the time of it's naming I was still in Philly. It was named after the 1976 Legions confrence held at the Belview stratford hotel on Market Street. I walked past it twice a week going to choir practice when I sang for the Academy Boys Choir in Phila. Hurdreds of people got sick from contaminated water in the AC units on the roof where pigions had $hit and the water stagnated letting bacteria buildup and it blew the bacteria throughout the hotel.

Now I only see legionella in AIDS patients or in severly ill patients that smoked for many years.

A quick fix to stop this from growing in your reclaim tanks is to aerate them at night. Stagnate water is void or depleted of oxygen. As far as I know legionella needs warm, stagnate water. I'll research it.
 

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Legionella is very common in hot water & boiler systems of hotels, hospitals and appartment buildings. Read the link below. It is most likely that in Australia the heat, stagnation and then the aerosolation of the water with the HP wands is giving the bacteria a way into the lungs. Clorinating the tanks & aerating the tank would be the best prevention since you can't control the ground temp which the bacteria breeds in.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5446480/Reducing-Legionella-colonization-of-water.html
 

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This is another great site with info. It is also possible that the water supply itself is contaminated and has nothing to do with a reclaim system and that the people infected are immunocompromised as Legionella is naturally occuring is water and the wands again aerosolized it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs/water-eau/pathogens-pathogenes/legionella_e.html

Legionellae were first recognized as human pathogens after a 1976 outbreak of pneumonia among veterans attending a convention in Philadelphia. Since that time, at least 42 distinct Legionella species have been identified. Approximately half of these species have been associated with disease in humans, with the majority of illnesses resulting from Legionella pneumophila infection.

Unlike most other common waterborne pathogens, Legionella species are naturally present in water environments, including surface water (Palmer et al., 1993) and groundwater (Lieberman et al., 1994). Their ubiquitous nature reflects their ability to survive under varied water conditions, including temperatures from 0 to 63?C and a pH range of 5.0-8.5

In human-made systems, Legionella colonizes various locations within buildings (e.g., cooling towers, hot water tanks, shower heads, aerators) and contaminates potable water and air. Generally, the areas of a human-made system contaminated with legionellae are those where biofilm formation is most prevalent. This is because Legionella can thrive in biofilms.

Concentrations have been found to be as much as 10 times higher in biofilms from faucets than from water collected from that faucet (Ta et al., 1995). There is some evidence that pipe material can also affect colonization by legionellae.

There are two distinct illnesses caused by Legionella: Legionnaires' disease and Pontiac fever. Collectively, these illnesses are referred to as legionellosis.

Legionnaires' disease is a severe pneumonia that can be accompanied by extrapulmonary manifestations, such as renal failure, encephalopathy, and pericarditis (Oredugba et al., 1980; Johnson et al., 1984; Nelson et al., 1985). Other common early features include confusion, disorientation, lethargy, and possible gastrointestinal symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea (U.S. EPA, 2001). The incubation period is generally 2-10 days. One problem in diagnosing Legionnaires' disease is a lack of any specific symptom that distinguishes it from other bacterial pneumonias. Early diagnosis and consequently appropriate antibiotic therapy are important in successfully treating the disease. Overall, the mortality rate of Legionnaires' disease is approximately 15%

Individuals considered to be at the highest risk of contracting Legionnaires' disease are those who are immunocompromised, especially transplant patients, and those with underlying lung conditions. Outside of the high-risk category, other predisposing risk factors commonly acknowledged include being male, smoking, alcoholism, being over 40 years of age, working more than 40 hours a week, and spending nights away from home. It is therefore not surprising that children and young people are rarely affected by the disease

As with other bacteria, physical removal mechanisms used during drinking water treatment, such as coagulation, flocculation, sedimentation, and filtration, will reduce the number of Legionella present in finished water. Disinfection can further lower the number present. In comparison with indicator organisms commonly used in the drinking water industry, such as E. coli or total coliforms, a higher CT value (i.e., a longer contact time, a higher disinfectant concentration, or a combination of both) is necessary to achieve a comparable level of reduction in Legionella using chlorine, chlorine dioxide, and ozone.
 

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In our area self serves do not use reclaim water so this should not be a problem. It could be a concern with IBA's and conveyors using reclaim. If they are not using any acidic product in their wash they would most likely have an alkaline level above the 8.5 range that promotes growth of this type of bacteria so I would assume they would be okay. Most reclaims in our area are either sparging or using ozone which I believe would also counteract growth of this bacteria.
 

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In our area self serves do not use reclaim water so this should not be a problem. It could be a concern with IBA's and conveyors using reclaim. If they are not using any acidic product in their wash they would most likely have an alkaline level above the 8.5 range that promotes growth of this type of bacteria so I would assume they would be okay. Most reclaims in our area are either sparging or using ozone which I believe would also counteract growth of this bacteria.
Contrary to what had been said on TV (a lot of rubbish) the problem was not linked to the recycle system at all. In this case the infection came from the hot water system, going into the hot water storage tank and then out to the bay nozzles. Water heated between 86F and 140F degrees is the ideal temperature for those bacterias. The Australian Carwash Association advised its members to either turn off the heater or run everything below 86F. The problem with having it at 140F is that down the line the water will eventually cool down and if sitting in a storage tank it will be the same problem.

Alternatively if a reduction in temperature is not possible a disinfection water treatment system has to be installed (Chlorine injection or something else).

Legionaries disease is a serious threat that can and has killed people. Looking at the standard SS equipment I think we all have a problem here with the storage tank. I turned my hot water system to below 86F. I don't know. What do you guys think? Any input?
Cheers JustClean
 

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Just to add to this thread. I converse with ACWA individuals regularly that are very close to the situation. The outbreak in Melbourne occurred in a SS only that was using town water, but was operated by an absentee owner. It was an old site and had tanks that held heated solutions, so it was an ideal breeding ground.

The ACWA is working diligently with universities and scientists, and are in the process of developing standard that will be adoptable for their industry and establish some good data for other fellow washers.

As an operator, I am watching the developments there closely.
 

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Steve, I read the PCW buliten board were that "BLOKE" nailed your a$$ for not bring this up! Funny stuff.

Thanks for putting it somewhere that got some traction or hits.
 
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