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I could use some helpful ideas please

sandelman

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I am new here and considering buying a local established car wash of 13 years. I live in a rural town of about 16K people, we are a highway hub so there are a lot of passers through. I have owned a service business that made house calls for 19 years and am looking to move on to something else. I've always wanted to own a car wash. I have thought it should be very lucrative if it is ran properly. I have no past experience with running nor owning a car wash.

Here's a bit of the deal, I'm hoping for some advice about what questions to ask, what documents do I want to review, what should I ask about equipment, all these things.....please :)

There is a couple about 40 miles from me who own a car wash in my town. They also own one in their town. They are in their mid seventies and don't really care if the sell or not. My neighbor has been a full time employee at 70 years old and been with the owners for 10 of the 13 years the wash has been there.

He said that you could own a wash without service people there and you can own one with an attendant and really make some money. The neighbor has a really great way with people and I know there are a lot of people who go there because of him. He told me that if he were my age ( 45 ) he would buy it and run the pants off of it. He is the guy who does most maintenance and when I asked how the equipment ran....he said I order stock of what is regularly needed like ( whatever ) and I always have it so there's no down time. He told me that I could do a great job with it and he'd teach me for a time.

The wash has 1 no-touch, 3 self serve bay and 1 large truck self serve bay. The purchase can come with a house that rents for $575 and a full size lot across the street which is convenient for self storing snow.
The neighbor said that once I got how to run things I could take down the house and install another self serve bay and 1 more auto.

He's mentioned that it would be nice to have credit card taking upgrade, new vac / shampoo with the foo-foo spray's and also. He told me that the owners come every 3 days for money pick up and they leave. I asked if he thought I could make $200K a year and all he said was , what if I told you it was a lot more than that?

He mentioned that the floors are heated and the wash is set up on computer and knows every quarter that's been put in. I thought that may be a good thing.

Today we called about loans as I would like to do this with no money to start with and I figure that if this is supposed to work out then all avenues will be smooth. The neighbor said one year they were asking $750K another he said $650K and he thinks that about $550K would do it.

The payment on a $500K loan is about $5k a month. Should what I've so vaguely described make enough to make that kind of payment?

I would reall really appreciate someone sharing what I need to look for, look out for and questions to ask so I know I'm getting a good deal and a solid business.

Many thanks in advance

Sandelman
 
I didn't realize that my account would be on hold for a short time before my first post would show up. Sorry for posting twice.
 
There are Soooooooooo many variables. Lets look at industry so called average revenue. $1500.00 / mo per bay for SS and $4500.00 per month for automatic.

Will / does it do better or worse? Some do better, and I expect many (me) do worse. Then again some say more bays tend to make the average drop.

So a VERY rough Guesstimate is $10,500.00 / month revenue. Sounds way to good to be true based on your population info. But, heck, anything is possible. A plus is potential house rental income but what is the rental market like now in that area.

The Automatic may be great or on it's last legs and you are looking at a big future expense. Which is it?

Now, start subtracting from the average revenue for operations and rent. Get copies of Utility, scavenger, real estate tax and insurance bills, Also, what are your plans for paying labor? Factor costs for repair / replacement parts and cleaning solutions as well.

Now, what do you think about the possibility of making $200,000.00?
 
Best thing you can do at this point is get the financial statements. I agree though that a $200000 GROSS Revenue for a 4 & 1 (3 &1 Actually since truck bays typically do not do well) would be above average. 3-5 times Gross Revenue is a rule of thumb for purchase price but there are so many issues with using that in the decision. If they are showing 200k on the books its certainly worth a look. If your neighbor has access to the financial records then great, but I can tell you most of the attendants I have met think the owner makes way, way more money than they actually do.
 
Get previous 3 years tax returns and give em a look-see.

200k gross is way high to me.

Carwash business is hard.

A loan with no money down, you say? Not likely to happen.

Offer to work there for free for 6 months so you can get a feel for what it's really like. That's what I did before I built new and it was an eye opener and a reality check.

I think you need to see the numbers. If they are not available, for whatever reason, that is a red flag.

The bank will want them for sure.
 
I have a 2 Auto with 4 SS .....$200,000 is on the high end...must be a busy wash??
Get the water bill and post the gallons per month I will break it down. Let us know if they have a RO unit rejecting into the drain to better calculate. Don't underestimate the power a person has regarding deposits when he has TWO washes. Due diligence is a good thing here.
 
I appreciate all of your comments , advice and suggestions. I didn't hear anything from my neighbor yesterday. He said that the owner was coming to pick up a deposit and he would ask her about me giving them a call...but nothing yet. Maybe he thinks I'm going to go to the wash to check with him today.

They may not be as motivated as he says, I don't know.

I will keep you all posted as to what ever info I find out.

Sandelman
 
I wanna see tax returns

Most clean up people I have employed think I make way more than I really do.

My personal experience is old people (you know who you are) are hard to deal with, business wise. Most have a tax-phobia, and are way too patient for their own good.
 
I have been splitting and stacking wood for the last 3 days straight and not been able to communicate with one of the 2 seperate owners. ( there is a married couple and another gentleman ) As it turned out, my neighbor came by while I was out and asked my wife if we could meet with them tomorrow at 5pm ( Sunday )

I plan to ask them for the last 3 years taxes. Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't they show all utilities seperate like taxes, water, electric, repairs, labor, insurance, etc and really everything I'd need to know?

It was suggested that I ask if they have a RO rejector going into the drain.

What is that if I can ask? I don't want to ask them about something I no nothing about.

If there is anything else please let me know. I'm making a list of questions so I can be prepared.

I will report back once I find out more and I want to thank you all again for your kindness and direction in this matter.

Make it a great day!

Sandelman
 
Bob Roman mentioned, "I would consider obtaining an opinion of value from a carwash consultant or business broker or property appraiser with knowledge of the carwash industry as a starting point."

Where would I find such a person in my area ( I live near Traverse City, Michigan ) and what might I expect to pay for their evaluation? Just fishin for ideas.

Sandelman
 
Bob Roman is a carwash consultant. I'm not saying that his advice is bad, just letting you know that he sometimes appears to be selling his own wares.
 
Why not call Bob Roman and ask him what he would charge, etc.

He's a nice guy and easy to talk to.

Even if you thought it was on he expensive side, it just may be the best money you spend regarding a carwash project.
 
I suggest you contact someone a little closer to Traverse City - or at least in Michigan. If you need someone to look to e-mail me directly and I can offer a name or two.
 
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