Best way to mount Air Machine?

[slash007]

I just bought an Adams Air Machine that attaches to a pedestal. I am going to mount it on an island next to a vacuum, but I'm not sure of the best way to secure it. There are four holes on the bottom of the pedestal for bolts, but with the unit being so lite, I feel like anyone can just come and unscrew the nuts and take the machine. I did have Adams super vacs that were mounted basically the same way (bolts that were showing) and never had an issue, but this is ligher and more obvious so it worries me. Thoughts?

 

[Earl Weiss]

A. You can mess up the bolts / threads so they can't simply be unbolted.

b. You can buy a sonotube with diameter slightly larger than the base. Put it over the base before mounting the machine and put in 12" or so of Concrete to hide the bolts.

C. Make a frame of 2 x 12 around the base and fill with cement.

All can be thwarted by a truck with a chain or large bumper.

 

[cwguy.com]

I used my welder really high and melted / welded the bolt and nut together.

 

[slash007]

I think I might go with a Sonotube as it will give the appearance of higher security. They are pretty cheap at Lowe's and should be easy to use. Thanks for the tips.

 

[cwguy.com]

b. You can buy a sonotube with diameter slightly larger than the base. Put it over the base before mounting the machine and put in 12" or so of Concrete to hide the bolts.

I actually thought of putting concrete over bolts before.... I think it's a great idea.

So have you done this before? Is this assuming everything is stainless? Did you install drainage?

 

[slash007]

I don't think the base is stainless. Why is drainage needed?

 

[cwguy.com]

I don't think the base is stainless. Why is drainage needed?

That is why I asked.... I was under the impression steel under concrete corrodes. Add the fact you are trapping water.

I like the idea though..... hitting bolts with a hammer and welding bolts also make the bolts rust. But I just thought that concrete was worse? It also might depend on the concrete?

 

[Earl Weiss]

No drainage. Post / base is painted. Probably been 20 years now. No Corrosion issues. I'll let you know in another 20.

 

[cwguy.com]

No drainage. Post / base is painted. Probably been 20 years now. No Corrosion issues. I'll let you know in another 20.

So what kind of paint and cement did you use? You may not remember. I guess this may be one of those things I should have just tried.... But not read about.

Another idea is install a drop safe like this? http://cwguy.com/?p=1943

 

[slash007]

The base came already painted from KR.

 

[Earl Weiss]

So what kind of paint and cement did you use? You may not remember. I guess this may be one of those things I should have just tried.... But not read about.

Another idea is install a drop safe like this? http://cwguy.com/?p=1943

BAses are typicaly painted. Just made sure no scuffs or scratches. I am sure I did not use anything special. Same with Cement but might have used a Post Setting Blend or a vinyl repair mix.

Your photo of the air serv setup refers to holes they use to ransport the entire assembly. However, if your machine is not set up for drop vaults the retro fit would be a pain.

 

[cwguy.com]

Your photo of the air serv setup refers to holes they use to transport the entire assembly. However, if your machine is not set up for drop vaults the retro fit would be a pain.

I agree they went through a lot of trouble.... welding the coin box etc. But a drop safe should prevent theft? It was just another idea. Also I believe that air-serv is a service provider that is why they what the transport holes.

 

[Earl Weiss]

Years ago (1985 or so) a Buddy and I started an air vending service on a revenue sharing basis. We checked out air serv. You would buy machines from them and they would give you a certain territory. The minimums they wanted was a deal breaker. At that time we went with Fragramatics initialy buying about 10 machines. We later expanded into vacuums as well and I later sold out to my partner who is still in the business.

 

[cwguy.com]

Years ago (1985 or so) a Buddy and I started an air vending service on a revenue sharing basis. We checked out air serv. You would buy machines from them and they would give you a certain territory. The minimums they wanted was a deal breaker. At that time we went with Fragramatics initialy buying about 10 machines. We later expanded into vacuums as well and I later sold out to my partner who is still in the business.

I hate to ask so many questions... but. So you purchase the air and vacs from air serv. Then air serv provides some support and wants a percentage of the gross? Is the equipment at a discount / good price or financed?

Fragramatics was an out right purchase?

I have extra vacs.

 

[Earl Weiss]

I hate to ask so many questions... but. So you purchase the air and vacs from air serv. Then air serv provides some support and wants a percentage of the gross? Is the equipment at a discount / good price or financed?

Fragramatics was an out right purchase?

I have extra vacs.

First of all the Air Serv contact was over 30 years gao so ho knows what they do now. They just sold machines and purpotedly provided leads. I have no recollection of them asking for a % and it would not be workeable since there was no way to monitor it. Both Air Serv and fragramatics involved a purchase. I think Air Serv wanted to sell a minimum of 10 units.

I think (Not sure) Air Serve may now offer a deal where the machine has a counter and instead of the person collecting $ and splitting with the location, the location empties $ and periodically they get billed according to the meter. based on useage.