Hot Wax formula change?

[washnshine]

I just got a new shipment of simonize hot wax and as I was changing out the pails, I noticed the old one had the following listed under ingredients:

water
polydimethylsiloxane
carnauba wax

Under ingredients, the new pails say:

water
dialkyl quaternary ammonium chloride
detergent range alcohol ethoxylate
cocoamidopropyl betaine
carnauba wax

Have not used the new stuff yet to see if it works any differently, but does anyone know if the formula is different now?

 

[rph9168]

Basically those are very comparable formulas which should produce similar performance and results. Substituting a quat, an alcohol ethoxylate and cocamidopropyl betaine for a polydimethylsiloxane might make the product adhere better to the surface but not really noticeably different. Both quat combinations and polydimethylsiloxane were common ingredients in the early sealants and polishes and are still widely used today in similar products claiming protection and shine. Whether one formulation is better would be debatable but I suspect that the second formulation may be a little cheaper to produce because it is rather commonplace for chemical manufacturers to adjust formulas for cost savings.

 

[washnshine]

Basically those are very comparable formulas which should produce similar performance and results. Substituting a quat, an alcohol ethoxylate and cocamidopropyl betaine for a polydimethylsiloxane might make the product adhere better to the surface but not really noticeably different. Both quat combinations and polydimethylsiloxane were common ingredients in the early sealants and polishes and are still widely used today in similar products claiming protection and shine. Whether one formulation is better would be debatable but I suspect that the second formulation may be a little cheaper to produce because it is rather commonplace for chemical manufacturers to adjust formulas for cost savings.

Thank you for the helpful reply!

 

[robert roman]

“….but does anyone know if the formula is different now?”

Yes, the formula is different because the active ingredients have changed.

Hot wax is like ice cream. Want rich ice cream add a lot of cream to the recipe. The more cream added, the more expensive the ice cream costs to make. Carnauba is cream in hot wax.

Compare labels. Has carnauba as percentage of volume or weight changed?

If there is little or no difference, I agree that product should provide similar results.

 

[washnshine]

“….but does anyone know if the formula is different now?”

Yes, the formula is different because the active ingredients have changed.

Hot wax is like ice cream. Want rich ice cream add a lot of cream to the recipe. The more cream added, the more expensive the ice cream costs to make. Carnauba is cream in hot wax.

Compare labels. Has carnauba as percentage of volume or weight changed?

If there is little or no difference, I agree that product should provide similar results.

They do not list the percentages, just the ingredients, so I am not sure. The sds document online
still reflects the former formulation.

 

[rph9168]

Ingredients on an MSDS are in the order of how much is in the formula. Chances are the amount of wax is the same but unless you get the formula or have expensive testing done there is really no way to find out.