US Paraplate Timer Conversion issue. Need Help

[waterway]

I am having a problem converting my vac timers from a ginsan to a paraplate timer. I have power when I test the wires and yet the light won't light up on the coin acceptor and it doesnt accept coins. I am pretty sure I am not hooking up the wires right. I could not figure out how to upload a photo with this post so I am going to upload a link to photobucket so you can see what the my where I messed up on the wiring thanks again. This is driving me crazy...

 

[waterway]

http://s1086.photobucket.com/albums/j450/andrew_gomez6/?action=view&current=IMG_0222.jpg

Maybe this link will work better. Thanks for any help or ideas. I know its probably something obvious I am missing...

 

[MEP001]

The coin acceptor hook-up is wrong. For starters, it shows "5 Volt Accessory" but you're using a 24V coin acceptor. You'll need a 24V transformer to power your acceptor. For another, the two red/green wires are the coin switch wires, the black and yellow are power. You'll need to connect the black and yellow to the transformer.

 

[waterway]

The coin acceptor hook-up is wrong. For starters, it shows "5 Volt Accessory" but you're using a 24V coin acceptor. You'll need a 24V transformer to power your acceptor. For another, the two red/green wires are the coin switch wires, the black and yellow are power. You'll need to connect the black and yellow to the transformer.

I figured it was something dumb. So basically I should just stick with the ginsan timers because I won't need to add the 24volt transformer. Thanks. I'm still learning on some of the electrical stuff.

 

[waterway]

So would the infitec 2000 timer work to replace the ginsan 403. It says it operates at 120 or 24 volts it reads on the kleenrite website. I appreciate the help the cost a little more then half, so it would save me a ton of money.

 

[Whale of a Wash]

The paraplate hooked to 24v is the way to go, you can get a 24v transformer at a hardware store for under $18, and couple to a 22$-- 24v mercury relay your vacs will be bullet proof. Running the vacuums load thru the timer at 120v is tougher on them and will burn them out quicker, when the brushes wear out and draw more amps. Both are really cheap insurance to a long trouble free life.
Also adding an electronic acceptor will reduce all the bad coin jams, and allow you to take tokens.

 

[Randy]

This simple stuff, what are you trying to do? Installing a 24 volt transformer is no big deal you can get one for less than $20. I was one of the first to use the 30 amp 24 volt Mercury relays in Vac’s and it will greatly prolong the life of the timer when there is little load on the timer. When the motor brushes wear out the vac timer isn’t damaged. I would stay with the Paraplate timer, there one of the best on the market. If you use a Mercury Replay remember that the relay must be mounted vertical, the 24 volt coil is on the bottom and the top is where you connect the 110 volt power you want to control. I would definitely go with a multi-coin coin acceptor or at least the power to install one later.

 

[I.B. Washincars]

He's replacing the timer, guys. Judging from the coin acceptor wires in the picture it looks like he has an IDX acceptor. If so, he already has a 24V transformer. It looks to me like he just needs to know how to wire up his coin acceptor.

 

[MEP001]

He's replacing the timer, guys. Judging from the coin acceptor wires in the picture it looks like he has an IDX acceptor. If so, he already has a 24V transformer. It looks to me like he just needs to know how to wire up his coin acceptor.

unfortunately not so. The GinSan timer he had before was 120V operation and has its own 24v output for the coin acceptor. What he switched to has a 5V supply. He can use the current Paraplate he installed by adding a 24V transformer to power the acceptor. If it works and lasts it would still be cheaper than any other suggestion made here.

 

[MEP001]

So would the infitec 2000 timer work to replace the ginsan 403. It says it operates at 120 or 24 volts it reads on the kleenrite website. I appreciate the help the cost a little more then half, so it would save me a ton of money.

It's the same as the Paraplate; 24V or 120v. Neither one will provide 24V for the acceptor if you run it at 120V. If you run it 24V you need a transformer and relay. If you run it 120V you still need a transformer to run the acceptor. As far as I know, the only timer that will directly replace what you have is another GinSan of the same model.

 

[I.B. Washincars]

unfortunately not so. The GinSan timer he had before was 120V operation and has its own 24v output for the coin acceptor. What he switched to has a 5V supply. He can use the current Paraplate he installed by adding a 24V transformer to power the acceptor. If it works and lasts it would still be cheaper than any other suggestion made here.

Well slap me down and call me shorty! In the immortal words of the late Johnny Carson, "I did not know that."

 

[ken-pro]

As far as I know, the only timer that will directly replace what you have is another GinSan of the same model.

The IDX AT413 timer is also designed for the same purpose.