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UponTheSquare

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Greetings,

I am hoping that someone in this community can help me with this issue....we just replaced all of our old (early 90's) Belanger equipment with Macneil equipment. Everything is working great with the exception of the 701 Superflex electric freestanding wraps (long arm)...which are working, but here is the issue (which Macneil technical support is unable to help with).

While programming the wraps into the Kesseltronics RtC, the following fields are available..

Location (no problem)
Front Boost run (recommended value in manual)
Rear Boost run (recommended value in manual)
*Main arm and boost pre-start (manual and tech support are no help)
Fold start (no problem, folding around mirror)
*Run pre-start (manual and tech support no help)
*Rear boost pre-start (no help anywhere)
*Main arm delay off (no help anywhere)
Unfold delay off (trial and error til it's unfolding at rear properly)
Run delay off (no problem)

As I mentioned, through trial and error we have been able to get them good enough to function at the time being, however, the fields with asterisks are foreign to us, and we would like to have them juuuuuust right before reopening, rather than "functional", particularly by the time winter rolls around in the Northeast, and we're running at 150 cph line speeds with cars a couple of feet apart.

If anyone is familiar with these wraps and/or the programming associated with them, I would appreciate a little (or a lot of) input.

The most helpful thing possible would be your own setup, ie: 185 distance from eye, X front boost, Y rear boost, Z main arm and boost pre-start, etc. so I have a known set of "ideal" or at the very least properly function values to work off of.

If no assistance of that nature is available, a "Glossary" of exactly what each of the fields means, explained for a dummy (10 years in the industry, first set of wraps, I know, I'm way behind the times), including when you want it to happen, and what is the measuring point (is everything from the switch, or as is (very vaguely) shown in some of Macneils illustration is there a '0' position at the wrap stand for certain values) ea. "rear boost pre-start is x and you want it to activate when the wrap reaches the rear of the car, or the center of the rear, or whatever, as measure from the stand to the point or the switch to the point" etc.

I know this is an extremely long winded question, but I've seen many before that didn't have enough information, so I'm trying to avoid that. I am working with an installer who has 30+ years of experience in the game, but hasn't dealt with this specific equipment/controller combination before, and Macneil's idea of tech support is emailing me the same f****** manual as I already have that doesn't have the information I need, or explaining to repeatedly over the course of a 15 minute conversation that the installer should know how to do it, and that Dan would be able to answer me, but he's not with the company anymore. (Repeated calls to Dan have been made with no response).

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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please email me at jimmy@cxarbuxcarwash.com

We run faster than 150 cph.. we are at 0.9 feet per second.
Dan is now with Laguna.
We have 3 long arm 701 wraps, and 2 with a short arm.
What controller do you have?

The answer to your questions are best handled directly. We have helped other operators in the past. Once they are dialed in they will get 2 passes across the back. MacNeil warps need to know "exactly" where the rear of the car is and this is determined by the pulse length. The most difficult thing for a long time operator to grasp is that your pulse length changes due to wear, and you will need to change that as the chain "stretches". As an example one of our washes has 27 links removed and the pulse length is 8.53 inches.

Jimmy
 

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Do you by any chance have a wash in Elmira, NY? I was driving through last weekend and got a wash at a place that had a bunch of Macneil equipment in crates sitting along the side of the building.

If so, small world!

Sorry - I can't offer any help with your wrap problem.
 

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Do you by any chance have a wash in Elmira, NY? I was driving through last weekend and got a wash at a place that had a bunch of Macneil equipment in crates sitting along the side of the building.

If so, small world!

Sorry - I can't offer any help with your wrap problem.
That is not a coincidence...that is a site that will be renovated starting Monday!
 

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Greetings,

I am hoping that someone in this community can help me with this issue....we just replaced all of our old (early 90's) Belanger equipment with Macneil equipment. Everything is working great with the exception of the 701 Superflex electric freestanding wraps (long arm)...which are working, but here is the issue (which Macneil technical support is unable to help with).

While programming the wraps into the Kesseltronics RtC, the following fields are available..

Location (no problem)
Front Boost run (recommended value in manual)
Rear Boost run (recommended value in manual)
*Main arm and boost pre-start (manual and tech support are no help)
Fold start (no problem, folding around mirror)
*Run pre-start (manual and tech support no help)
*Rear boost pre-start (no help anywhere)
*Main arm delay off (no help anywhere)
Unfold delay off (trial and error til it's unfolding at rear properly)
Run delay off (no problem)

As I mentioned, through trial and error we have been able to get them good enough to function at the time being, however, the fields with asterisks are foreign to us, and we would like to have them juuuuuust right before reopening, rather than "functional", particularly by the time winter rolls around in the Northeast, and we're running at 150 cph line speeds with cars a couple of feet apart.

If anyone is familiar with these wraps and/or the programming associated with them, I would appreciate a little (or a lot of) input.

The most helpful thing possible would be your own setup, ie: 185 distance from eye, X front boost, Y rear boost, Z main arm and boost pre-start, etc. so I have a known set of "ideal" or at the very least properly function values to work off of.

If no assistance of that nature is available, a "Glossary" of exactly what each of the fields means, explained for a dummy (10 years in the industry, first set of wraps, I know, I'm way behind the times), including when you want it to happen, and what is the measuring point (is everything from the switch, or as is (very vaguely) shown in some of Macneils illustration is there a '0' position at the wrap stand for certain values) ea. "rear boost pre-start is x and you want it to activate when the wrap reaches the rear of the car, or the center of the rear, or whatever, as measure from the stand to the point or the switch to the point" etc.

I know this is an extremely long winded question, but I've seen many before that didn't have enough information, so I'm trying to avoid that. I am working with an installer who has 30+ years of experience in the game, but hasn't dealt with this specific equipment/controller combination before, and Macneil's idea of tech support is emailing me the same f****** manual as I already have that doesn't have the information I need, or explaining to repeatedly over the course of a 15 minute conversation that the installer should know how to do it, and that Dan would be able to answer me, but he's not with the company anymore. (Repeated calls to Dan have been made with no response).

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks to JimmyJaffa putting us in touch with Dan we are now operating as well as we should be rather than as well as we could. A big thanks to JimmyJaffa and Dan from Laguna!!! Without them this would have likely remained a mystery for quite a while longer!!
 
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