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are there any quality friction washes who's top wash will clean a car in under 3 minutes
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friction washes under 3 mnutes
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robert roman
Bob Roman
Any friction roll-over can be made to produce a top package wash in 3-minutes.
So, if 2-minutes and 59 seconds is not a deal breaker, the answer would be yes, all of them.
So, if 2-minutes and 59 seconds is not a deal breaker, the answer would be yes, all of them.
washnshine
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You'd probably want to go with a 5 brush machine to reach that goal.
You are thinking of an off-board dryer - right?
Here is 3:05 with no dry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCSHGf6Zx9I
There are some systems that also move the solution application, rinse and ccp off-board - that will speed the whole process up for everyone. Autec has a setup that does this called an inbay express.
http://www.autec-carwash.com/CMS/InBayExpress https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9&v=-Lv6gTllfCg
You are thinking of an off-board dryer - right?
Here is 3:05 with no dry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCSHGf6Zx9I
There are some systems that also move the solution application, rinse and ccp off-board - that will speed the whole process up for everyone. Autec has a setup that does this called an inbay express.
http://www.autec-carwash.com/CMS/InBayExpress https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9&v=-Lv6gTllfCg
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washnshine
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I know what you are saying - there is a perceived value that goes along with a longer wash cycle. However, if you think of tunnel washes, they will take the same amount of time with every wash package - they make up for it with colors, lights scents, foam, etc. If you can get that same differentiation of presentation in the IBA, you can try to minimize the top package time. Inevitably, an IBA will take longer anyway for the top package vs. the lower package - even if it is minimized.
washnshine
Well-known member
Turbo,
I do not know what it is called but it is just a hp wheel/rocker spinner. It's an alternative for the wheel brushes found on some IBA's. I would think its effeitveness on wheels would be maximized with a good wheel cleaner. Belanger, D&S and some other IBA manufactureres have opted for hp wheel cleaners on their friction machines instead of wheel brushes.
I do not know what it is called but it is just a hp wheel/rocker spinner. It's an alternative for the wheel brushes found on some IBA's. I would think its effeitveness on wheels would be maximized with a good wheel cleaner. Belanger, D&S and some other IBA manufactureres have opted for hp wheel cleaners on their friction machines instead of wheel brushes.
Turbo,
Yes it is if your going by the math. I was trying to see if that was in and out which would indeed be 20 CPH. But I have been told before that a machine will "wash" a car in 3 mins, but that didn't include entry services or dryer. There are a few variables that will change the CPH (on or off board dryer, length of bay, machine settings etc. The important number to me is the actual car count after 1 hour when stacked. Probably should have been a little more descriptive in my questioning.
Yes it is if your going by the math. I was trying to see if that was in and out which would indeed be 20 CPH. But I have been told before that a machine will "wash" a car in 3 mins, but that didn't include entry services or dryer. There are a few variables that will change the CPH (on or off board dryer, length of bay, machine settings etc. The important number to me is the actual car count after 1 hour when stacked. Probably should have been a little more descriptive in my questioning.
robert roman
Bob Roman
“There is a perceived value that goes along with a longer wash cycle.”
That’s not necessarily true because longer wash cycle means longer average waiting times.
Few consumers want to drive more than two miles to buy their convenience goods. Likewise, few people want to wait longer.
“However, if you think of tunnel washes, they will take the same amount of time with every wash package - they make up for it with colors, lights scents, foam, etc.”
Tunnels “make up for it” so to speak with horsepower.
If each pass of 5-brush rollover gantry is 23’ (guiderail length), it would travel 138’ in six passes (3 minutes). Roll-over has 45 hp.
Mini tunnel 5-brush is 50’, takes 3.5 minutes, 35 to 40 CPH and has 68 hp. 100’ tunnel has 10 brushes, takes about 4 minutes, 100 or more CPH and has 163 hp.
P.T. Barnum “effects” are meant to enhance customer experience (show). Color, light, scent, foam do nothing to affect the outcome of clean, shine or protect.
“If you can get that same differentiation of presentation in the IBA, you can try to minimize the top package time.”
Just as there is no substitute for cubic inches in drag racing, you can’t make up for the difference in horsepower (amount of work accomplished) with effects (presentation).
“Inevitably, an IBA will take longer anyway for the top package vs. the lower package….”
This is only true if you follow convention. You should also compare apples to apples.
For example, if goal for roll-over is 20 CPH, this could be achieved with express in-bay but it requires 60’ long wash bay. Standard roll-over is 35’ to 38’.
Top package can be configured for any 3 or 5-brush roll-over in 3-minutes or 20 CPH.
However, you won’t find this in equipment literature.
That’s not necessarily true because longer wash cycle means longer average waiting times.
Few consumers want to drive more than two miles to buy their convenience goods. Likewise, few people want to wait longer.
“However, if you think of tunnel washes, they will take the same amount of time with every wash package - they make up for it with colors, lights scents, foam, etc.”
Tunnels “make up for it” so to speak with horsepower.
If each pass of 5-brush rollover gantry is 23’ (guiderail length), it would travel 138’ in six passes (3 minutes). Roll-over has 45 hp.
Mini tunnel 5-brush is 50’, takes 3.5 minutes, 35 to 40 CPH and has 68 hp. 100’ tunnel has 10 brushes, takes about 4 minutes, 100 or more CPH and has 163 hp.
P.T. Barnum “effects” are meant to enhance customer experience (show). Color, light, scent, foam do nothing to affect the outcome of clean, shine or protect.
“If you can get that same differentiation of presentation in the IBA, you can try to minimize the top package time.”
Just as there is no substitute for cubic inches in drag racing, you can’t make up for the difference in horsepower (amount of work accomplished) with effects (presentation).
“Inevitably, an IBA will take longer anyway for the top package vs. the lower package….”
This is only true if you follow convention. You should also compare apples to apples.
For example, if goal for roll-over is 20 CPH, this could be achieved with express in-bay but it requires 60’ long wash bay. Standard roll-over is 35’ to 38’.
Top package can be configured for any 3 or 5-brush roll-over in 3-minutes or 20 CPH.
However, you won’t find this in equipment literature.
I think the premise behind the question is wrong. Most automatics offer a two step chemical, triple foam, regular and deluxe wax, wheel cleaner, spot free, and blow dry. I just don't see all that in under three minutes. Think of it as you do getting a hair cut. No one likes to wait long for their turn in the chair. But when you do get in the chair, it's hey, slow down, take your time and do a nice job. I used to go to a barber that I swear was practicing for the Guinness record of fastest time. He did a reasonable job in under 2 minutes. I felt cheated. If you want to cut the time in half for your top wash, just get 2 machines and you'll double your throughput.
washnshine
Well-known member
robert roman
Bob Roman
“Most automatics offer a two step chemical, triple foam, regular and deluxe wax, wheel cleaner, spot free, and blow dry.”
Most in-bays offer a multitude of products as you described but not specific solutions to customer problems (clean, shine, protect).
In-bays are often configured for things like double pass of pre-soak (not hi/low) or extra detergent on front/back end, on-board versus standing drier, etc.
Yes, time is relevant. 4-minute conveyor wash for $5.00 takes same amount of time as $13 top package wash does.
Why does $13 top package at in-bay have to take more time than $5.00 base wash?
The reason is convention. This is the way it has always been done.
With the chemicals and wash materials available today, it is possible to produce a top package wash (clean, shine, protect) in three minutes with roll-over.
If I could get a reasonable hair cut in 2 minutes, I’d give the cutter a 25 percent tip.
Most in-bays offer a multitude of products as you described but not specific solutions to customer problems (clean, shine, protect).
In-bays are often configured for things like double pass of pre-soak (not hi/low) or extra detergent on front/back end, on-board versus standing drier, etc.
Yes, time is relevant. 4-minute conveyor wash for $5.00 takes same amount of time as $13 top package wash does.
Why does $13 top package at in-bay have to take more time than $5.00 base wash?
The reason is convention. This is the way it has always been done.
With the chemicals and wash materials available today, it is possible to produce a top package wash (clean, shine, protect) in three minutes with roll-over.
If I could get a reasonable hair cut in 2 minutes, I’d give the cutter a 25 percent tip.
You might have something there Robert. An idea to work on. Express hair cuts. How about a 30 ft. flat belt conveyor with 6 barber chairs bolted to it. Add some cologne and talcum powder arches at the end. Shampoo and blow dry for the top package. You could use a t shirt cannon to blast a hot towel into the customers faces. Those would all be mechanically applied to save on labor. Of course the tunnel would be lined with big screen TVs. Don't forget the lollypops afterwards for the kids 
robert roman
Bob Roman
Gearhead, I believe Panasonic will get there before I ever could.
http://gizmodo.com/5906336/hair-washing-robot-promises-your-hands-will-never-touch-shampoo-again
What's next, Sonny's automatic dog wash conveyor?
http://gizmodo.com/5906336/hair-washing-robot-promises-your-hands-will-never-touch-shampoo-again
What's next, Sonny's automatic dog wash conveyor?
Yea! But remember, you need to be multi gender friendly. So you would need some Chippendales guys in there also. Added costs would be blindfolds for the kids. And those pesky mobs of protesters would need to be dealt with. A HP water cannon would be in order. They use a lot of water so reclaim would be must
Sorry OP. Couldn't help myself.
Sorry OP. Couldn't help myself.
