Integrating Ultimate Electraflex door controls with a Laserwash 4000

[GoBuckeyes]

We installed two Electraflex doors in the middle of winter last year with our LW4000's. We were able to get them to operate but I'm guessing we could integrate them better if I understood PDQ's door logic. The Ultimate controller has a set of safety eyes and momentary contact inputs for open and close. The LW4000 has constant outputs for either open or close as well as an input for safety eyes. Currently I have the LW4000 eye input jumped out so that it is always 'on' which would signal that the eyes are clear. I also have the Laserwash tied into Ultimate's open and close buttons on their controller box. While this worked OK last year, I would prefer to do it 'right' this year but don't really know what that is. I would like to add an open button on the outside but with the constant outputs of the LW the door will open then immediately close. Has anyone accomplished this? Thanks.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Nobody running Ultimate's flex door on a LW4000? Shocking. I called PDQ today and did find out that the door up and down outputs are not 'constant'. They are actually momentary, however they are fired for 60 seconds which is why I couldn't figure out why the door worked fine sometimes and sometimes not. I think what I will do with the eyes is actually hook them into the LW4000 input rather than Ultimate's input since the wash will be running the door most of the time.

 

[mrfixit]

It sounds similar to my ultimate and ryko set up... If I recall correctly you want to jumper the lw to the ultimate inputs and outputs.

You probably want the eyes going to both so wire from lw to ultimate eye input or output so they both see eye operation. I wouldn't remove the safety eyes from the door controller itself personally. Just for safety reasons if the lw is off.

You want both controls so they connect together at the ultimate inputs on mine. So when either sends the signal it receives the message.

 

[whitescout]

Do you have PDQ factory door eyes installed? If so, i would not use any of the eyes that came with the doors. The safety eyes for the doors are mot needed. The laserwash will handle any safety eye function neeed. When the rear Tbar eyes are blocked, the PDQ will hold the exit door open, until the exit door eye is "broken", and restablished. As far as your concern about manually controlilling the doors, you could add a simple open an close button, or use the joystick box to open the doors. If you turn the key to manual, the entrance door will open. If you push in the e-stop button, both the entrance and exit door will open. in addition to this, you could force outputs on and off for desired door positions. 50 ent up, 51 ent closed, 52 exit open, 53 exit close.

 

[mrfixit]

The pdq may be different than the ryko door control. When you say ultimate controller do you mean ultimate doors? Or is it something different. I have an ultimate door.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The pdq may be different than the ryko door control. When you say ultimate controller do you mean ultimate doors? Or is it something different. I have an ultimate door.

Yes it is Ultimate Door's version of the flexible vinyl door and their control box, although I don't believe they make the actual controller. I talked with Ultimate again today hoping to find someone that has some practical experience with their door. I was told the 1 minute door close signal and open signal from the PDQ computer may 'harm' their door controller in some fashion, the signal only needs to be a second long. If thats the case the door controller especially isn't liking the constant input when you force the door open on nice days, PDQ simply fires that door up output until you decide the weather warrants using it again.

This is what I don't understand...if you buy a Dixmor timer the directions that come with it will explain how to use it with the most popular coin acceptors such as Slugbuster or IDX. How can Ultimate not have any idea how one of the most prolific in-bays door outputs work. So far they have offered up zero help.

 

[mrfixit]

We open the door and shut off the breaker to leave it open.. I guess it's one of those things with different mfg. I think our output from the auto is only on for like 5 seconds. Maybe pdq has a different door kit to control that output.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I called Ultimate again today and they put me in contact with the manufacturer of the controller. They were able to explain to me what I needed. The LW down signal of 60 secs won't hurt anything, it simply overrides the door controller's safety eyes. As for trying to tie the door controller's eyes into the LW..that won't happen. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't drive a relay so that the eyes would work for both. Turns out they're not regular photoeyes but some new UL325 standard for doors that measures voltage changes. Long story short, I just need to add a second set of eyes for the LW and I'm good to go.