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One of the things that gets me about this tragedy is why is no one asking what the blazes BP was doing in 5000 feet of water. Doing anything in deep water, which I consider over 200 feet, is tough. Doing something in 5000 feet is unreal. There are rich oil fields in the continental shelf (200 feet or less) that we can't drill in. There are rich fields on land (the Bracken field in the Dakotas and ANWAR up in Alaska) where we can drill easily and contain any spills. You can thank the environmentalists for this. Just another example of dumb people with good intentions looking out for us. How about the environmentalists getting DDT banned? This was done because a lady wrote a book about its affects, and was completely false. Now millions die from malaria each year because DDT is banned.
 

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Why drill in 5,000’ of water? It is all about the ROI. Major oil companies will spend their exploration dollars where they can expect to get the greatest return.

The easy oil in this country has been found. Shallow water wells in the gulf have been exploited since the 40’s. As the technology and equipment evolved, the search for new oil progressed to deeper and deeper waters. Today a well can be drilled in 10,000’ of water.

Obama and friends, in a knee-jerk reaction, shut down all deepwater drilling in the gulf for 6 months. This is going to cause thousands to lose their jobs…just what we need in a recession. Deepwater wells have been drilled in the US part of the gulf since the late 60’s and this is the first major accident. Imagine if we grounded all commercial airlines for 6 months every time they crashed one.
 

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Jim, my point is that the oil we know we have in shallow water and on land is not being pumped. The Baaken (?) in the Dakotas reportedly has more oil than Saudi Arabia. The ANWAR, where nobody lives, has huge deposits, and we make them go a mile or two deep? Another thing I noticed about the spill, is where are all these companies that used to advertise their Bacteria bugs that are susposed to eat oil? You would think they would be all over this.
 

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As I understand, there is enough oil in our northern midwest states to supply the US for 200 years. The feds are holding it on reserve so when everyone else runs out, the US will still have it.

Big Oil should have had back-up plans in place for this kind of thing. As much money as they have, they should have a barge at every platform with proper equipment to cap the well in case of emergency, no matter what depth they are drilling at.

Complacency is much of the problem here. The federal regulators and the platform workers are in a "good ole boy" clich. "Hey, sign us off and I'll take you on a fishin trip" Many of them grew up together and are literally friends.

The US is so bad about being reactive instead of pro-active. Only AFTER a catastrophe do they do anything to prevent it from happening again.

I'm still waiting for the bra-bomber. That should be very entertaining at airport security check points.
 

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The spill is obviously a disaster for the gulf states, but the governments wisdom is so pathetic its hard to watch. It does look like BP screwed up, but I would rather them solving this problem then all of the wisdom that the government can come up with.
 

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Something else that no one is talking about concerns the sequence of events. When this first blew, I could swear that it was reported that BP was in the process of capping the well. My question is, why spend close to 100 million dollars to dig a well, then find what has shown to be a big producer, and then cap it? Something is not right with this. It would be equilavent to finding the bag of money that fell off the armored car, then going and burying it in the back yard. Any thoughts on this?
 

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One thing for sure, that by the time this is over, we will all be worse off, via Washington DC. Why BP didn't bring in a number of ships and place them around the leak and start sucking up the oil immediately, like they did somewhere else when this happened a couple of years ago, don't remember where, but it was suppose to be more oil and handled much better.
 

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You’re right. The Horizon had completed the drilling of the well and was in the process of abandoning the well for the near term. If there is a nearby facility (5 miles or so) which could produce the oil, a completion rig (cheaper) would be brought in to run the inner tubing and install a sub sea production head on the ocean floor. If there is no facility nearby there is no reason to waste anymore time on this well. If justified some sort of permanent floating structure will be built and a rig on that facility would complete the rest of the work on the well.
 

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While this is an interesting idea, I have serious doubts about it working. It sounds simple to say just put some tires in it and fill them up, and voila', no more leak. The issue is the depth of 5,000 feet. At sea level the atmosphere exerts about 15 pounds of pressure on every square inch. That comes out to about one ton per square foot. Since our cavaties are filled with the same air, we don't notice it. But for about every 30 feet you go below the surface, you add one more atmosphere of pressure. At 5,000 feet that comes to about 167 atmospheres of pressure or about 2,500 pounds per square inch. Try blowing something up to those pressures. And that is just to inflate it, not blow it up to plug it. You might need 5,000 psi or greater to do that. Just don't recall seeing too many tires rated for 5,000 psi down at the Goodyear store. Even high performance tires for jumbo jets only go to around 300 psi. We are talking orders of magnatude to do this with this method.
 

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I know all about pressure which increases about 44 psi for each 100 feet of depth--I was on sub and the ship's diving officer. We had to compensate by pumping water out as we went deeper--the ship shrunk from compression thus reducing our bouyancy. For the oil plug idea, the only thing that matters is the differential pressure (dp) across wall of tire--not the pressure at that depth. I don't know what the dp is for that well but that's the critical parameter--seems like it may be low enough for 6 or 8 ply tire to handle. Maybe a well expert can tell us.

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There is no doubt that the general public can hardly spell "oil" much less have a clue what happened, or what should be done. But, everything in history shows that any attempt by the government to solve this problem will end up a disaster, with no accountability and we the tax payer will be picking up the tab after they bankrupt BP.

If I were the CEO of BP, I would tell OB to shut up and get out of the way or I would hand the keys to everything that BP owns in the US to him and leave. BP can afford to do that.
 

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Well for one thing, I feel somewhat relieved that my internet accumen might be amateurish at best. But if our webmaster can double post, I just feel better. Ted, good point about the delta pressure that would determine the feasability of the tire idea. My guess is that there would be a very small margin of error in adjusting the pressure to keep it from blowing. Dealing with pressures in that range, at that depth, and keep it within 200 to 300 psi would be interesting to watch. Wish there was an easy answer for this one.
 

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How much control do we have that far out in the ocean, doesn't that get to be international waters? The news lately has talked about 5-6 things Bp did to save time and money, so while it may be very difficult to drill in those waters, those guys did all they could to rush the job.
 

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