Countries vote against the USA at the United Nations and receive USA AID

[JMMUSTANG]

How they vote in the United Nations:

> Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the U.S. State Department and United Nations records:

> Kuwait votes against the United States 67%of the time
> Qatar votes against the United States 67%of the time
> Morocco votes against the United States 70%of the time
> United Arab Emirates votes against the United States 70%of the time
> Jordan votes against the United States 71%of the time
> Tunisia votes against the United States 71%of the time
> Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73%of the time
> Yemen votes against the United States 74%of the time
> Algeria votes against the United States 74%of the time
> Oman votes against the United States 74%of the time
> Sudan votes against the United States 75%of the time
> Pakistan votes against the United States 75%of the time
> Libya votes against the United States 76%of the time
> Egypt votes against the United States 79%of the time
> Lebanon votes against the e United States 80%of the time
> India votes against the United States 81%of the time
> Syria votes against the United States 84%of the time
> Mauritania votes against the United States 87%of the time
>
Con't.

 

[JMMUSTANG]

> WHY?
> WHO STARTED THIS AND WHY?
> THEY ACTUALLY BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM.
>
> Perhaps it's time to get out of the UN and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are having to skimp and sacrifice to pay the taxes.
> Pass this along to every taxpaying citizen you know, party lines irrelevant!
>
> GO GREEN- RECYCLE CONGRESS IN 2012...!
>
> (If you don't know any taxpayers, just delete!)
>
>
>

 

[mac]

I have a great solution to the UN issue. We should give them 90 days to pack up and get out, and here's the good part, build them another building in Haiti. Let these great world leaders solve the world's problems AND figure out what to do with Haiti.

 

[rph9168]

I think the UN has long outlived any usefulness. I think the list of countries that have not paid any dues is even longer. Should be disbanded and the building either demolished or turned over for some useful purpose. I think we are looked upon in most foreign circles as patsies. We send money over to countries that hate our guts and do everything possible to make us look bad and block any motions we make in the UN. Time we stop supporting those that hate us.

I am also looking forward to the day when we are energy self sufficient and we can tell our "friends" in the Middle East and South America what they can do with their oil.

 

[MEP001]

Unfortunately, and like with almost everything else, as long as they're willing to sell us oil cheaper than we can produce it ourselves, things won't change.

 

[JMMUSTANG]

U.S. Foreign Aid to those that hate us:
> Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States,
> Still receives $2,000,000,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.
>
> Jordan votes 71% against the United States
> Receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.
>
> Pakistan votes 75% against the United States
> Receives$6,721,000,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.
>
> India votes 81% against the United States
> Receives $143,699,000 annually.

 

[pitzerwm]

Just like our welfare system, it pays people to stay out of trouble, it sort of works, our crime rate is less than Mexico's who have no welfare.

 

[MikeV]

Bill, isn't that kind of like saying..."at least my drug addict son isn't a bank robber"?

 

[pitzerwm]

Pathetic but true

 

[bigleo48]

I think it's politics and diplomacy vs. what really happens. First the UN is mostly useless for accomplishing anything of real meaning, yet the world needs a place to meet, no matter the differences.

So, who does the aid really go to, what is it used for and who's benefits? It's just not so simple to bunch it all together or to think that the money goes into this sinkhole and does not benefit the US. I'm sure there are some examples where this is the case, but not the rule. The USA is not stupid and it costs money to have some influence in these areas and any major country ignores the world at their own peril.

So the statics provided are just that...sum statistics. These situations are far more complex and IMHO cannot tar-balled up into anything of meaning.

 

[rph9168]

I think it's politics and diplomacy vs. what really happens. First the UN is mostly useless for accomplishing anything of real meaning, yet the world needs a place to meet, no matter the differences.

But it never solves any issues that come before it. When a resolution is passed everyone ignores it. It is useless and does not need to exist.

The USA is not stupid and it costs money to have some influence in these areas and any major country ignores the world at their own peril.

The US is stupid when it comes to foreign affairs. We fight wars, lose lives and give billions away and they either spit at us, ignore us or try to kill us.

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[JMMUSTANG]

I just wonder how much other countries such as Germany, England, France, China, Russia, Canada, and all of South America spend on foreign aid to these countries?

 

[JMMUSTANG]

It reminds me of my kids saying "Dad, I'm going out tonight can I borrow $10 bucks."
"Borrowed" or financial aid seems to me to be the same thing.

 

[rph9168]

Here is a little bit of information.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tain-foreign-aid-spending-poor-countries.html

I think Germany has the right idea.

 

[bigleo48]

I think you would need to define 'foreign aid' to be able to determine who's spending what.

For example, China is spending a an immense amount in Africa and it wouldn't take much to determine that they are really after their resources.

Also, you can't go by headlines and PR announcements, because those commitments rarely ever get fully given. I know Canada is very much guilty of that.

 

[rph9168]

My whole contention is that we should not be sending money to countries that continually vote against us or hold us in contempt or even harbor terrorists like Pakistan or Afghanistan. It seems like we are supporting the very people that are trying to destroy us. We are feeding the monster instead of starving it.

 

[JMMUSTANG]

2009 China foreign aid (?) to Africa $10 Billion.
Most of the money spent on infrastrucre projects. Roads, pipeline, etc.
Almost all the jobs allocated to Chinese workers. Not Africans, no real African benefit to the people.
Jee go figure they want cheap oil and minerals. DUH
2012 purposed China loans $20 Billion.
With all the turmoil in Africa such as Libya, Sudan, etc. China is not getting much oil.
Words are cheap lets see how much Africa really gets from the purposed $20B.
MOTTO for these countries receiving froeign aid no matter who is giving it:
Take the money because we're not paying anybody back.

 

[bigleo48]

2009 China foreign aid (?) to Africa $10 Billion.
Most of the money spent on infrastrucre projects. Roads, pipeline, etc.
Almost all the jobs allocated to Chinese workers. Not Africans, no real African benefit to the people. .

Duh...better roads and infrastructure does not benefit African people!?

Jee go figure they want cheap oil and minerals. DUH 2012 purposed China loans $20 Billion. With all the turmoil in Africa such as Libya, Sudan, etc. China is not getting much oil. Words are cheap lets see how much Africa really gets from the purposed $20B. MOTTO for these countries receiving foreign aid no matter who is giving it:
Take the money because we're not paying anybody back.

Like I said, it's defined as foreign aid...but who does it really benefit? I sure the vast majority of the cash coming from the west has strings attached. Aid is rarely expected to be paid back, but it doesn't mean there aren't any expectations. China is looking for much more than oil...

To me non-military foreign aid is state philanthropy. An the biggest issues with giving are the same as personal philanthropy and the main problem all philanthropist experience. It's real easy to give money away, the hard part is having the checks/balances along with the follow up to ensure money is spend effectively the way it was intended to. That takes a lot of real work, a genuine LONG TERM concern for the recipient, along with the cash. IMHO, with our 4 year term governments, foreign policy and aid is usually short term, stop gap efforts. That's what gets us in trouble...we help when it's gone too far and leave them much to early.

 

[JMMUSTANG]

"Duh...better roads and infrastructure does not benefit African people!?"

I understand what your saying but what I'm mean is that there is not an economic benefit as far as the African people do not get any monetary benefits in their pockets.

 

[bigleo48]

I understand what your saying but what I'm mean is that there is not an economic benefit as far as the African people do not get any monetary benefits in their pockets.

Better infrastructure leads to improved commerce and an overall improvement to their everyday lives...sometimes significantly.

Like any project, there are also many spin off jobs...like most factories create up to 10 other jobs...so to say Africans don't get a initial benefit is hard to fathom.

Its the strings attached I'd be concerned about.