cmawash
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planning on doing some upgrades, want to use ss x 3/8 tubing or copper nickel tubing. which on would be recommended to use
high pressure tubing type
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cantbreak80
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I always use 304L Stainless Welded Tubing .375 OD for high pressure bay supply.
Plan well because the stainless steel compression fittings will give you sticker shock!
However...it's unlikely that you'll ever have to replace the high pressure lines.
Plan well because the stainless steel compression fittings will give you sticker shock!
However...it's unlikely that you'll ever have to replace the high pressure lines.
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If you're in an area that freezes and you ever have a freeze up, copper will stretch and you'll never get another fitting on it after that.
MEP001
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That's a good point, but once the copper expands it'll be difficult to impossible to repair it if it does split. And copper (or cupronickel) erodes with a lot of water flow. Stainless tube won't.
mjwalsh
6 bay SS w/laundromat
I would be surprised if stainless steel tubing can't be monkeyed up by a bad freeze???
cmawash
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want to do job once and correctly so we never have to look at it again
cmawash
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what is is difference between SS seamless and SS welded tubing system operates around 2k psi
Here ya go
Welded vs Seamless Stainless Steel Tubing: What’s the Difference?
Welded and seamless stainless steel tubing each offer unique benefits depending on application. Learn which option might be best for your needs here...
eagletube.com
mjwalsh
6 bay SS w/laundromat
Has anyone seen stainless steel be affected by a hard freeze?
Most long term "far enough north" or high elevation operators know about a hard freeze vs a milder freeze up of pipes. I noticed a local city worker preparing for this by vacuuming the upper part of fire hydrants about a week ago.
This article leads me to believe that stainless is better than copper but I am not so sure better than rubber hose for high pressure lines from ER:
Mechanics & Forces of Freezing Water, Effects of ice and freezing water on building plumbing systems (inspectapedia.com)
Most long term "far enough north" or high elevation operators know about a hard freeze vs a milder freeze up of pipes. I noticed a local city worker preparing for this by vacuuming the upper part of fire hydrants about a week ago.
This article leads me to believe that stainless is better than copper but I am not so sure better than rubber hose for high pressure lines from ER:
Mechanics & Forces of Freezing Water, Effects of ice and freezing water on building plumbing systems (inspectapedia.com)
cantbreak80
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Couple hundred bays of SS and IBAs in use in CO/WY/AK. I don't recall ever having to replace a freeze damaged tube.
An improperly bent tube?...well, that's another story. (Rookie!!!)
An improperly bent tube?...well, that's another story. (Rookie!!!)
mjwalsh
6 bay SS w/laundromat
cantbreak80 & other stainless tubing operators,
I am thinking that if a hard freeze up did not do any damage ... that it is because the expansion force had somewhere to crawl to ... maybe an opening or the rubber hose in the bay or the path back into the ER ... I am not sure.
We had copper tubing at one time & because of the problems after unplanned freeze ups we went with hydraulic hose cut & made up to the needed lengths by a Specialty Equip crew out of the Mpls-St Paul area back in 1987. We always keep precut exact lengths just in case the rare burst in the 4" PVC occurs. If SS tubing would last for at least 15 years & no danger of freeze damage ... it very well might be worthwhile ... in spite of its possible extreme initial extra cost!? Care would have to be taken during the install to not have any potential chance of the tubing rubbing against each other or any other hard surface IMHO!
MEP001
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Extreme initial cost? It's barely twice as much as 1-wire hose. I use thermoplastic, which is 50% more expensive than 1-wire, and it's freeze-proof. SS tubing is not, it will either permanently swell or break.
mjwalsh
6 bay SS w/laundromat
Has any other car wash operator who actually uses high pressure thermoplastic hose or tubing have had a worse case freezing of its water inside of it with no problems other than the need to thaw it out??? I notice there are items such as ultra high pressure thermoplastic hose ... I am thinking that specific type of thermoplastic hose &/or tube possibly might not be permanently damaged by a hard freeze.
Starrwash
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What are good sources for SS or thermoplastic? Are either damaged by occasional pump vibration? Work for self serve or In bay automatic?
MEP001
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SS needs to be installed in a way that it can't rub on anything, and it would need a pulse dampener at the pump or it will vibrate and make a lot of noise. Thermoplastic gives with the pulsing of the pump and doesn't need a pulse dampener, and just needs to be protected from rubbing on corners that could wear through it.
cantbreak80
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I have local sources for SS tubing, SS fittings, Hydrazorb or Cush'n'Clamps, etc. But, it's a metro area...with many wholesale distributors.
One online source, with "reasonable" pricing is: StainlessSteelFittings.com
View post #3 photo to see how I install.
Inside the equipment room the tubing is connected to the pumps with 100/R1 hoses. I try to make the hoses equal length so only one spare is needed.
The tubing terminates inside the trough, above the boom. 100/R1 connects the SS to the boom. Again, with equal length hoses.
The installations do hum a bit (because they don't know the words?
)...even with pulsation dampeners installed. But, unless a pump has issues, it's really not annoying.
One online source, with "reasonable" pricing is: StainlessSteelFittings.com
View post #3 photo to see how I install.
Inside the equipment room the tubing is connected to the pumps with 100/R1 hoses. I try to make the hoses equal length so only one spare is needed.
The tubing terminates inside the trough, above the boom. 100/R1 connects the SS to the boom. Again, with equal length hoses.
The installations do hum a bit (because they don't know the words?
)...even with pulsation dampeners installed. But, unless a pump has issues, it's really not annoying.cmawash
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would flared fittings be doable or compression couplings, know flair provides a longer life due to vibration, compression not sure, we use 100/r1 from pump to supply lines and lines are tided down
cantbreak80
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I've always used double ferrule compression for SS installations. Fast, simple, and trouble free.
MEP001
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I'd use either flare or double ferrule compression. If you have a lot to do, flare will save you some money. Regular single ferrule are not as reliable for high pressure, for example you can't use them on brake lines.
