My electrical inspector wont let me put the cords and control cables on my new Istobal M18 thru the wall and in the equip. room.he wants them hard wired and in conduit.he says it is min. national code, is it?
min.Nat. electric code ?
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Jim L.
Florida panhandle
Our county inspector did the same thing to me when I built. He said he didn?t care what other counties in the state did?in this county his way was the only one that counted.
I did it his way and when the cables needed replacing, I wired it the way it was originally intended.
It is easier to let the inspector feel like he is somebody important then it is to try and fight city hall.
I did it his way and when the cables needed replacing, I wired it the way it was originally intended.
It is easier to let the inspector feel like he is somebody important then it is to try and fight city hall.
JGinther
Zip-tie engineer
Does that machine have a UL sticker on it? If it does, the inspector (depending on the state's particular adoptions of NEC) should only be able to inspect from the point of power connection to the controller and from the point of power connection to the contactors. From there on it should be "equipment" and fall under the certifications of that equipment. This is assuming that it came prewired from the controller and contactors on, and that the "cords and control cables" aren't being connected to power sources. If the machine is not listed, you are pretty much SOL unless you have an engineer to sign off the permit.
Good luck
Good luck
Jim L. is right on the money on this. It is almost always best to let the small minded government stooge have his way, unless you are talking thousands of dollars. If a UL listing is needed, it can sometimes be had pretty cheaply. I had an inspector require the label on everything, even the head for the water softener. Ot cost me about $500 to have someone from UL come out and tell me what to do to get field approval.
You know johnny, I got to admire you for that thought. The UL lables are on a lot of things that you can just peel off and place where needed. There are times when you run into b.s., that it's fair to respond in similar fashion.
i replaced a sign,the township came and inspected the instalation
a year later i get a certified letter saying i need a final electric inspection or else,i played the game and went along
i learned the township is out of work, no new building etc,the electrician told me there is a lot of this going on and the inspectors are going through old records just to find work to look good
if you think the feds are screwed up,and if you have never built anything you should go to your local goverment zoning and commisioners meetings its a real eye opener
when you see how your money is being spent it will give you something to think about
enough ranting for now
a year later i get a certified letter saying i need a final electric inspection or else,i played the game and went along
i learned the township is out of work, no new building etc,the electrician told me there is a lot of this going on and the inspectors are going through old records just to find work to look good
if you think the feds are screwed up,and if you have never built anything you should go to your local goverment zoning and commisioners meetings its a real eye opener
when you see how your money is being spent it will give you something to think about
enough ranting for now
mjwalsh
6 bay SS w/laundromat
Jimbo,
Are the cords positioned so they could potntially be chafed or vibrated through? If so, that should be considered.
I would have them show you where & how it is stated in the NEC & then share that with us here on the forum. Especially if you have a large enough area that could be defined more as open air passage way.
Are the cords positioned so they could potntially be chafed or vibrated through? If so, that should be considered.
I would have them show you where & how it is stated in the NEC & then share that with us here on the forum. Especially if you have a large enough area that could be defined more as open air passage way.
Jim L.
Florida panhandle
In my case there were UL stickers on everything. The equipment installers tried to explain what they meant to the inspector, but he did no want to hear it. I don?t know if the inspector was looking for some bribe money or was demonstrating what a prick he could be?could have been a little of both.
I heard the inspector had a heart attack a couple of years ago and passed away. It couldn?t have happened to a nicer SOB.
I heard the inspector had a heart attack a couple of years ago and passed away. It couldn?t have happened to a nicer SOB.
JGinther
Zip-tie engineer
For clarification, there is a difference between a piece of equipment being composed of UL listed components and the entire equipment piece of equipment being listed itself. An inspector can get in some trouble if arguing against either a truly listed piece of equipment, or against an engineers letter. The chances are that the inspector will not care, as the whole point is to eliminate liability - as letters and stickers do. If they do care, it is usually because someone or something ****ed them off (except for the occasional jerk who lives for the power - they usually don't last long though).
the township i live in and the township my washes are in,the township eng,plum,elect,inspector etc. are all people that were self employed and failed over the years,now they think they know it all and you are stupid,so if puting a sticker on something solves the problem so be it.
just a little rant
just a little rant
Thanks everyone.46 yrs in this business and never had a problem before.The electricans came back to work today so that the UL inspector can do his thing when they are done. Spent all day yesterday working it out with all involved.I doubt it is finished when he is done, because he included a retesting fee in the price.
