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Waxman

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Read an interesting article (well, started, actually) on a device called a power usage optimizer.

Said the if a motor, for example, is rated at 80% efficiency it is only using 80% of the available (100%)power coming into the carwash, which is what we are billed for.

Apparently a device called an optimizer can be used to capture the remaining 20% you don't use? Do I have this right and have you installed one or know of someone who has?
 

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Google "power factor".

As I understand it, if your power factor is .9, you pay for 100% of the power, but only actually get or use 90%.

Lots of equipment that carwashes use are natural reducers of power factor - electric motors, and HID lighting.

Find a way to increase your power factor and then you should save on the electric bill.

I haven't done anything or even checked mine, but am interested in it.
 

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if a motor, for example, is rated at 80% efficiency it is only using 80% of the available (100%)power coming into the carwash
Wax, thats not what efficiency is.
Efficiency in this context means how much of the power/work coming into the pump (not the carwash) is transformed into the desired result, in this case water pressure. A couple really simple examples:
1) My boiler for floor heat burns gas. What I want is for 100% of the btu's (heat) produced from burning that gas to end up in the bay floors. Unfortunately some heat goes up the chimney with the exhaust, some heats up the boiler itself, some of the gas doesnt combust completely... etc. So in the end about 30% of the gas I pay for doesnt end up heating my bay floors. That would be 70% efficient.
2) Incandescent light bulbs radiate both light and heat waves. The heat is "wasted" if your desired result is light, therefore the bulbs are not 100% efficient.

It just doesnt seem likely to me that adding MORE equipment would make my equipment more efficient.

Am I 100% efficiently correct? I am not an engineer, so I dont know.
For simple things like a light bulb, water heater, motor/pump: I think my basic understanding is functionally accurate.
For things like a car, putting a computer in there can optimize settings, fuel usage, etc based on your driving patterns. But thats a custom & complex system, thats not something you can plug in to any device.
I also know that electronics last longer (etc) if they get a "smooth" power supply; but I dont know if that makes them more efficient.

Anyway, theres my 2 cents. Hopefully someone who knows what they're talking about will chime in, but fundamentally I think Whale hit the nail on the head.
 

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The only " power optimizer" that I know of that works is a VFD. I just put one on my 7.5 hp submersible well pump. Now it only runs hard enough to supply the volume of water needed at that time. Most of the time its only running at 40-50 hertz. That will save on wear and tear in addition to using less power.
 

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I have installed 3 of these at some of my washes. They are suppose to help with motor operation but don't offer any help for lighting. No I don't know if it helps but a friend of mine that was a electrical engineer at a plant I done work at said it is a good investment and they had something simalr on a larger scale. If it works like the electronic water softner I tried they do absolutly nothing.
 

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If you have a demand charge on your electric bill, your best investment is Allen Bradley smc-3 soft starters. I added these to my dryers at one location and shaved 5-6 kW off my monthly demand charge. That equates to $110-132 savings per month. The units cost me $550 each for four added to 7.5 hp dryer motors. With an avg. monthly savings of $120 that equates to an 18.5 month payback. That is a good investment.

Just added them to four 15 hp motors at another location. They were $1250 each for those motors. Hopefully the payback there will be as quick, also.
 
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