Removing lids from Kleen Rite buckets

[Randy]

Most of the K/R concentrate products tell you on the label to mix the 5 gallon pail with 10 gallons of water before you pull it out to the Hydrominder. I had an operator who give me pickup truck load of K/R soap because to couldn?t get it to work right, he said it was to rich. His problem was he wasn?t using it properly, he was trying to pull it straight out of the 5 gallon pail. I pour a 5 gallon pail into a 15 gallon container and then add a little water to the pail and swish it around and pour that into the 15 gallon container, I do that a couple of times to get all the product out of the 5 gallon pail. Before I toss the empty containers into the dumpster I always smash a hole or two into the bottom of the container so it can?t be reused. You could be held liable if the container is reused for other than its original use.

If you really feel the need to get the lid off, cut about 8 slots from the top, starting at the black gasket, down the sides and then pry up on the slots and the lid should come off.

 

[cwguy.com]

Warsaw buckets use to have slits in them.

 

[Randy]

What's wrong with that picture?

 

[I.B. Washincars]

No fluid in the hose.

 

[cwguy.com]

I do not remember what the problem was but chemical ended up on the equipment room floor. It was the first picture I found of a chemical bucket. Original post: http://cwguy.com/index.php?s=IMG_9159

 

[ted mcmeekin]

I know what label says but how many use direct from bucket with appropriate tip and flow versus pre dilution? We use direct like our distributer set up. We worked early on with different tips and product flow rates but are comfortable with our setup now and have not changed in 6 years.

Ted

 

[Mel(NC)]

I have been trying KR chemicals out for a couple of weeks. Using the stuff straight from the container with a green tip gives me 620/1 dilution, which is inside their recommendation of 600-900/1. I must have a different set-up than what their directions were written for.

 

[Champion]

I don't see how the green tip is rated at 620:1 per this chart -
http://www.komfg.com/dilution_chart.html
Bee

 

[Earl Weiss]

Ultra lean tip kit green / olive is 600 or so to one. A good choice for a lot of KR product with a 506 /511 hydrominder. That is what I use.

 

[Mel(NC)]

The green tip gives 48/1 but then the fluid gets diluted further going through the soap or wax solenoid. For my setup, the end result is 620/1.

 

[mattman]

The Ropak lid is a great lid. My company uses them because they are the best for staying sealed. We tried switching to a different lid and our damage claims shot up. I think most would rather have their chemical arrive in one piece then an easy lid to remove.

I didn't look at the picture of the KR lid remover but we use an aluminum one that's 14 inchs long or so and it pops them off fairly quickly and easily. The short plastic ones are no good.

I'll try to post a link for a good one.

 

[mattman]

Here ya go. Check out the 21" aluminum lid remover. Just insert pull and keep moving it over until the lid pops off.

http://www.labsafety.com/store/item/5646/

 

[Wayne J]

Have you actually used this tool to remove the Ropak U5 lids on the Kleen Rite buckets?

 

[mattman]

I work for a chemical company not affiliated with KR. We use the same Ropak U5 lid. We use the above tool on our pails in house when we need to remove a lid. It works much better because it's longer and has a bar to leverage against the top of the lid. It takes us maybe 15-20 seconds to remove a U5lid. If you get one don't pry in the same spot pull up and move over a few inchs and repeat. The lid will pop off fairly quickly and easily. My company has used the U5 for 2o+ years so I'm very familiar with it.

Good Luck!

 

[Wayne J]

Thanks, I will order one.

 

[Wally]

The thing I see wrong in the picture cwguy sent was not only the foot valve was bad but he is still using the old 1/2 hose. You need to change that out and get the 1/4 inch and you will be a lot better off. The 1/2 will give problems where it connects to the hydrominder because of the weight of the hose. When you think about it you don't need that much volumn of soap to go through that tiny little hole. I'll try to get some pictures of my set up.

 

[MEP001]

The thing I see wrong in the picture cwguy sent was not only the foot valve was bad but he is still using the old 1/2 hose.

Just because it's different from the way you like to do it doesn't make it wrong.

The reason it comes with 1/2" hose is so there's no restriction of the chemical through the hose if the Hydrominder is used with no tip.

 

[Earl Weiss]

This weekend tried 2 methods.

A. Cut 8 slots with a cutting wheell on my 4.5 inch grinder and then used a vise grip under the lip to pry up about 4 of the tabs and the lid popped off.

Elapsed time about 3 minutes with considerable effore getting the vise gribs under the tab and prying.

B. Lay bucket on bench on side with lid to my right and grinder in right hand. Cut around circumference of lid where the black O ring is (Basicaly hold grinder and roll bucket). Then stand bucket up and cut 8 slots. Rim falls of lid or pulls off easily with fingers and lid comes off. Elapsed time, 2 minutes and little effort.

 

[Ghetto Wash]

Wayne J,

Did you get the opener that mattman suggested and does it work as good as he says? If so I need to get one also. Please let us know.

 

[Wayne J]

Ghettowash,
Yes, I got the tool that mattman suggested. It does not work with the lids that KR uses. I'm guessing they use a different style of lid than the normal U5. I had to use a mallet to drive the hook on the end of the tool between the lid and the flange on the bucket. I am a pretty good sized guy and I can't get the lids to budge. It worked fine on another type of lid, much better than the $1.98 tool from KR. Maybe mattman can give some more hints on using this tool. It is nice and shiny.