Super Saver Wax vs. Clear Coat..

[slash007]

On the Super Saver, JC has a hp wax option and also a clear coat option. Both draw from the same tank. I am trying to understand the difference between the two if there really is one as I am installing a pump stand soon. Thanks.

 

[Greg Pack]

Just marketing. As I understand it, wax got a bad rap a few years ago, and some people were told not to wax their vehicles.

Those two also usually have a different pressure setting. CCP might be medium pressure. They do that by activating a solenoid at the pump and regulating pressure down to about 400psi.

I would probably use the extra rotary switch position on the dial for something else.

 

[slash007]

I am trying to figure out how to wire the wax and clear coat so that one of them uses the solenoid on the the pump. Currently I just see a wire that jumps between the wax and cc functions, but that's it. The wire from the pump solenoid only goes to the pre-soak. Wouldn't both waxes operate at the same pressure if they are just jumped together?

 

[MEP001]

I assume one is high pressure and one is reduced pressure. I'm not real familiar with the Coleman Super Saver, but there must be something controlling the solenoid, the pump motor and the pressure solenoid. Is it rotary switch controlled? Are there three stacks or just two?

 

[pgrzes]

My recollection is that jumper is to control the solonoid along with a HP function. You can switch the jumper to any of the HP functions to have a reduced pressure? Its been a couple years since I installed my stand, getting ready to do another one soon. I have my presoak on a reduced HP function.

 

[slash007]

I am going to take a picture of how it is wired right now and post it. It is going to be controlled by a ginsan push button door setup.

 

[MEP001]

You'll have to use relays to control the low-pressure solenoid because GinSan doors have only one output for high-pressure and one for each function. It's not a big deal, it just takes a small SPDT relay with the high-pressure function passed through the NC side of the relay and the low-pressure connected to the coil and looped to the NO side. That isolates the two functions and creates a third powered output with one of them.

 

[slash007]

pgrzes has the same doors and stand, do you have high and low pressure wax?

 

[pgrzes]

Hp wax, and triple foam is CC protectant on my setup.

 

[slash007]

Here are pictures of the current wiring setup and function list. Not that the wax and clear coat are just jumped together, while the pre-soak had the function wire and also the solenoid wire going to it. View attachment 921 View attachment 922

 

[slash007]

Not sure why I can't edit the previous post, but I meant to say "note that the wax and clear coat are jumped together. #14(wax) is jumped to #17 (clear coat). #11 is pre-soak and it has the function wire and also the wire from the solenoid going to it.

 

[MEP001]

How the stand is wired is less of an issue as how the doors work. You won't have a way to activate a reduced pressure solenoid on multiple buttons and have high-pressure on multiple buttons without adding something to keep them isolated. I assume Coleman uses a 3-layer switch.

The reason wax and clearcoat are jumped together is because they both open the same solenoid to draw chemical. But one is high-pressure and one is reduced pressure still running through the pump, right?

 

[pgrzes]

If I recall correctly the jumper in the cabinet is for the reduced pressure solenoid on the cat pump. On the door there is a rocker switch panel that you select what functions kick the cat pump on or off.

 

[slash007]

JC uses a double stack for the rotary switch doors, but they also have doors with a keypad. At my other wash, I actually have the same exact stand and it was wired for cc and wax, but a few years ago we changed the cc to air dry, so I have no idea how it was wired. I have been calling them every day now for over a week, but of course no answer or call back.

On Ginsan doors, the control board has rocker switches for motor starter and also for trickle. I'm assuming I would have the motor starter on for the wax/cc, but then still have to have the solenoid kick in for the cc.

 

[MEP001]

On Ginsan doors, the control board has rocker switches for motor starter and also for trickle. I'm assuming I would have the motor starter on for the wax/cc, but then still have to have the solenoid kick in for the cc.

If there's a separate row of switches for trickle with a common output and you don't plan to use it to shut off the weep, you could use that for the wax/CC solenoid.

 

[slash007]

If there's a separate row of switches for trickle with a common output and you don't plan to use it to shut off the weep, you could use that for the wax/CC solenoid.

Hmm. That might work. I think I will likely wait until I install everything, then I can mess around and try it.