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Here's something you should really read. A political scientist groups Muslim extremists (rightfully so because they're RIGHT WING TERRORISTS just like the white supremacists of today are RIGHT WING TERRORISTS) together with our current problem of white supremacist shootings.

from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

"Pre-2001[edit]
According to American political scientist George Michael, "right-wing terrorism and violence has a long history in America".[69] Right-wing violent incidents began to outnumber Marxist incidents in the United States during the 1980s and 1990s.[70]:29 Michael observes the waning of left-wing terrorism accompanying the rise of right-wing terrorism, with a noticeable "convergence" of the goals of militant Islam with those of the extreme right. Islamic studies scholar Youssef M. Choueiri classified Islamic fundamentalist movements involving revivalism, reformism, and radicalism as within the scope of "right-wing politics".[71]:9


In the aftermath of the Brown v. Board of Education decision (1954), members of a resurgent Ku Klux Klan perpetrated a campaign of terrorism against blacks, civil rights activists, Jews, and others.[72] Klansmen bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1963, killing four African American girls, and carried out other murders as well, including those of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner (1963), Lemuel Penn (1964), Viola Liuzzo (1965), and Michael Donald.[72][73] Between 1956 and 1963, an estimated 130 bombings were perpetrated in the South.[72]

During the 1980s, more than 75 right-wing extremists were prosecuted in the United States for acts of terrorism, carrying out six attacks.[74] In 1983, Gordon Kahl, a Posse Comitatus activist, killed two federal marshals and he was later killed by police. Also that year, the white nationalist revolutionary group The Order (also known as the Brüder Schweigen or the Silent Brotherhood) robbed banks and armored cars, as well as a sex shop,[75] bombed a theater and a synagogue and murdered radio talk show host Alan Berg.[76][77]

The 19 April 1995 attack on the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and it was the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in the history of the United States.[78] McVeigh stated that it was committed in retaliation for the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco.[79]

Eric Rudolph executed a series of terrorist attacks between 1996 and 1998. He carried out the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing—which claimed two lives and injured 111—aiming to cancel the games, claiming they promoted global socialism and to embarrass the U.S. government.[80] Rudolph confessed to bombing an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, an Atlanta suburb, on January 16, 1997, the Otherside Lounge, an Atlanta lesbian bar, on February 21, 1997, injuring five and an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama on January 29, 1998, killing Birmingham police officer and part-time clinic security guard Robert Sanderson and critically injuring nurse Emily Lyons.

Post-2001[edit]
As of August 2019, the New America Foundation placed the number killed in terrorist attacks in the United States since 9/11 as follows: 109 killed in far-right attacks, 104 killed in jihadist terrorist attacks, 8 killed in black separatist/nationalist/supremacist attacks, and 8 killed in ideological misogyny/"incel" ideology attacks.
[81] The politically conservative Daily Caller News Foundation using data from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), found 92% of all "ideologically motivated homicide incidents" committed in the United States from 2007 to 2016 were motivated by right-wing extremism or white supremacism.[82] According to the Government Accountability Office of the United States, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right-wing extremist groups.[83][84]

A 2019 report found that in 2018 50 people in the United States were killed in murders by domestic extremists (including both ideologically and non-ideologically motivated homicides). Of these killings, 78% were perpetrated by white supremacists, 16% by anti-government extremists, 4% by "incel" extremists, and 2% by domestic Islamist extremists.[85] Over the broader 2009 to 2018 time period, there were a total of 313 people in the United States killed by right-wing extremists (including both ideologically and non-ideologically motivated homicides), of which 76% were committed by white supremacists, 19% by anti-government extremists (including those affiliated with the militia, "sovereign citizen," tax protester, and "Patriot" movements), 3% by "incel" extremists, 1% by anti-abortion extremists, and 1% by other right-wing extremists.[85]

New America's tally shows that 87 people have been killed in right-wing extremist attacks since 11 September 2001. Incidents causing death were the following:[81]..."
 

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If you're not going to read all of that, then pay attention to what I put in bold. There's a reason they group most white supremacist violence with Muslim violence... they're the same thing.
 

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Alpine dreams, I forgot to thank you. Any time I hear someone claiming white extremists are the cause of world terrorism, and not the peaceful socalled religion of the pedophile prophet Mohammed, my antennae go up. I'll be watching.
 

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You are hating a whole group of people for the actions of a few. If you are going to do that, then you should at least be consistent. So, how do you feel about white people, Christians and Americans?

White supremacists are the biggest terrorism threat in America today. Don't take my word for it. Listen to the FBI Director Chris Wray: https://www.newsweek.com/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacy-violence-fbi-director-1450748

300 priests in Pennsylvania abused more than 1000 children over 70 years while the church systematically covered up this abuse: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...st-abuse-pennsylvania-shows-church-ncna900906

In 2003, America invaded a country, Iraq, with completely fabricated intelligence reasoning. The terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 weren't from Iraq - they were mostly from Saudi Arabia. Over 1/4 million people have died because of this and the money we spent could have done amazing things instead of wasting it by taking lives, destroying property and injuring people. I know because I was there for a year between 2004 and 2005. War is catastrophically stupid.

How do you feel about white people, Christians and Americans? Judging by your hatred of Islam for the actions of a few, I assume you hate white people, Christians and Americans.

Oh, you don't hate them? Why not? If that rationale is fine for Islam, why isn't it fine for the other groups?

I read your replies again and it seems like you think I'm a Muslim. You would be very wrong. I am a white male, born in Louisiana, raised Catholic and I served 13 years as an Army Infantryman. I don't hate any group of people for the actions of a few and neither should you.

People always tell me that I shouldn't interact with people like you about topics like this. But, I'm hard-headed and eternally optimistic, almost to a fault.
 
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Like most liberals, you just don't seem to understand anything when it comes from someone with a different opinion. I do not go around hating groups. Period. Hatred is a vile poison that eats anything it touches. I simply observe things and make decisions. As a former Marine I know firsthand that when you go into battle, if you have hatred, you make mistakes. That can cost you dearly. I am most likely one of the better behaved citizens around. I will stop and help out others just for the sake of doing so. But also, and this is very important, if I see someone trying to do me harm or any other person for no reason, I will come to their aid and inflict enough harm that they will think twice before doing it again. Hatred has nothing to do with that. It is simply being fair and kind to people. If I see a cockroach in mu kitchen, I stomp on it. No hatred there. Same thing with Islam and muslims. When I see a bunch fly aircraft into buildings and kill innocent people, I want to stomp on them also. Their leaders in the mid eastern countries make speeches all the time saying we are the devil and need to be eliminated. So when I see them, I go to high alert. Still kind, but you better behave. I am through with this conversation. Nothing I can ever say will change your liberal thinking. It's sort of like wrestling with a pig. After a while you realize that you are covered with mud, and that the pig actually enjoys it. Have a nice day.
 

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You didn't respond to anything I said. Which, I understand because your position is indefensible. You conveniently latched onto the word "hate" in my comment above. That's fine, read it again. I'm gonna substitute 'judge and fear' for the word hate, then you can do your best to respond.

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"You are judging and fearing a whole group of people for the actions of a few. If you are going to do that, then you should at least be consistent. So, how do you feel about white people, Christians and Americans?

White supremacists are the biggest terrorism threat in America today. Don't take my word for it. Listen to the FBI Director Chris Wray: https://www.newsweek.com/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacy-violence-fbi-director-1450748

300 priests in Pennsylvania abused more than 1000 children over 70 years while the church systematically covered up this abuse: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...st-abuse-pennsylvania-shows-church-ncna900906

In 2003, America invaded a country, Iraq, with completely fabricated intelligence reasoning. The terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 weren't from Iraq - they were mostly from Saudi Arabia. Over 1/4 million people have died because of this and the money we spent could have done amazing things instead of wasting it by taking lives, destroying property and injuring people. I know because I was there for a year between 2004 and 2005. War is catastrophically stupid.

How do you feel about white people, Christians and Americans? Judging by your judgement and fear of Islam for the actions of a few, I assume you judge and fear white people, Christians and Americans.

Oh, you don't judge or fear them? Why not? If that rationale is fine for Islam, why isn't it fine for the other groups?"


Quoting you: "Same thing with Islam and muslims. When I see a bunch fly aircraft into buildings and kill innocent people, I want to stomp on them also."

What about stomping white people, Christians and Americans? I linked how they have done atrocities equal to, or greater than, 9/11 and you're just giving them a free pass? What about those innocent victims? Children molested by priests are not innocent? Iraqis and American soldiers killed by America's actions are not innocent? The people killed by white supremacists in America - who are in school, shopping at Walmart or worshiping at their place of worship are not innocent?

Help me understand how white people, Christians and Americans get a pass and Muslims should get stomped because they attacked innocent people.
 
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Well someone sure didn’t spend the night in a Holiday Inn Express.
 
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