Vacuum safety / Is this an industry wide concern?

[ACTcarwashlover]

That's probably the most well thought out design I've ever seen on a commercial vac.
Is the hose inlet between the white sock and the black clean-out bag?

Yes there is, there’s even a knob under the emergency stop in black, that’s used as the shaker knob for the filter so yes I wanted to I could even put in instructions that say to shake the filter using that knob first before inserting coins, and plus you need a key to open the dirt chamber of the vacuum as well, they can be easily had but not everybody knows where to look The only downside is that when this vacuum was made there was not really a safe which is something I’m potentially thinking about retrofitting and moving it off from tokens onto a multi acceptor and oh yeah, this Vacuum also uses a short drop acceptor but the good thing is in my country (Australia) there’s a local company that manufactures acceptors and timers As a single unit, so I know that even if parts go down I can replace it for something that are actually be locally available, although I do want to potentially try and find a drop-in replacement that works with United States currency as well because I might actually take this vacuum if I move to the US

 

[edredtop]

At the end of the day, you purchased domes that were not in the original design of the vacuum. If they are clearly listed as 24" and the original domes were 20" simple math would tell you you're going to create a 2" gap.

Right on Dan,
It does seem simple, so the question is:

Why is the manufacturer (JE Adams) and supplier (Kleen-Rite) offering adapters to sell their 24" domes to operators as a solution for a 20" dome replacement?

It's seems pretty apparent they are altering the original design intent and voiding any safety certifications they may have obtained.

 

[MEP001]

Why is the manufacturer (JE Adams) and supplier (Kleen-Rite) offering adapters to sell their 24" domes to operators as a solution for a 20" dome replacement?

Because people at Kleen-Rite mostly have zero clue about car washes or safety, and most of the ones that do don't care. If you call JE Adams direct, they probably would have given you part numbers to order that would fit properly, or told you they can't get you the right part.

 

[Earl Weiss]

Right on Dan,
It does seem simple, so the question is:

I think the question is "With all these ill fitting domes supposedly causing a potential problem how many actual incidents have occurred?"

 

[ACTcarwashlover]

I have seen some adapters that actually fit on and fill up the gap as well And shouldn’t it be a good idea that someone were to manufacture a ring of sorts that would fill in the gap

 

[Dan kamsickas]

I have seen some adapters that actually fit on and fill up the gap as well And shouldn’t it be a good idea that someone were to manufacture a ring of sorts that would fill in the gap

It's an old vac. The original parts are no longer manufactured. It should be replaced. No manufacturer in any other industry is expected to keep making parts, or adaptable parts, in perpetuity. My refrigerator cost me around what a well equipped carwash vacuum would. I hope it lasts ten or 15 or 20+ like most carwash vacuums. I also realize if it does die after several years that the odds of LG still making the part I need is absolutely zero and I will have to buy a new one.......and my refrigerator hasn't made me a dime like a vacuum would have.

 

[edredtop]

I think the question is "With all these ill fitting domes supposedly causing a potential problem how many actual incidents have occurred?"

I know it's probably a novel idea, but I was trying to avoid a death before one occurs, not wait for one.

 

[edredtop]

It's an old vac. The original parts are no longer manufactured. It should be replaced. No manufacturer in any other industry is expected to keep making parts, or adaptable parts, in perpetuity. My refrigerator cost me around what a well equipped car wash vacuum would. I hope it lasts ten or 15 or 20+ like most car wash vacuums. I also realize if it does die after several years that the odds of LG still making the part I need is absolutely zero and I will have to buy a new one.......and my refrigerator hasn't made me a dime like a vacuum would have.

What vac is an old vac?
We're not trying to salvage an old refrigerator, we were trying to make operating, functional equipment look better by accepting Kleen-Rite's invitation to "refresh your vacuum" during one of their promotions. Part of that promotion was to change out faded domes.
Kleen-Rite is selling these adapters without distinction to brand, model, or age as one can see in the attached screen grab or here in this link.
JE Adams is offering the adapter parts to alter the OE design of their vacuums from a 20" dome to a 24" dome.

Are you suggesting operators dispose of their vacuums because they want to replace a faded dome, use a different coin acceptor, or *gasp* a new timer that's not OEM? I get what you're saying, but that's not what's being discussed here.
The issue here is a part being offered that appears to alter OE design by two well known suppliers that creates a potential safety hazard.

 

[Dan kamsickas]

What vac is an old vac?
We're not trying to salvage an old refrigerator, we were trying to make operating, functional equipment look better by accepting Kleen-Rite's invitation to "refresh your vacuum" during one of their promotions. Part of that promotion was to change out faded domes.
Kleen-Rite is selling these adapters without distinction to brand, model, or age as one can see in the attached screen grab or here in this link.
JE Adams is offering the adapter parts to alter the OE design of their vacuums from a 20" dome to a 24" dome.

Are you suggesting operators dispose of their vacuums because they want to replace a faded dome, use a different coin acceptor, or *gasp* a new timer that's not OEM? I get what you're saying, but that's not what's being discussed here.
The issue here is a part being offered that appears to alter OE design by two well known suppliers that creates a potential safety hazard.

The issue here is that you bought parts that did not fit to your liking. Instead of just returning them and getting your money back you post a thread that essential questioned the integrity of the industry.

If the proper domes do not exist, you have two choices: Use a poorly fit dome or replace the vacuum.

You're correct that we're not talking about a fridge but a capital piece of equipment that probably has paid for itself many times over, has put money in it's owner's pocket and now probably needs to be replaced because parts can't be found.

 

[Earl Weiss]

I know it's probably a novel idea, but I was trying to avoid a death before one occurs, not wait for one.

Not novel at all. However as to an "Industry Concern" "The Industry" seems to have concerns over things more likely to occur.

 

[ACTcarwashlover]

Instead of replacing the entire machine, in this case why not generise The parts, if you know someone who is a good welder, It wouldn’t be that hard to make an adapter ring, you can Mount or weld that to your vac, Here is a good example from one of my local Car washes, I’ll get a better photo so that way you can see what they’ve done

 

[edredtop]

Instead of replacing the entire machine, in this case why not generise The parts, if you know someone who is a good welder, It wouldn’t be that hard to make an adapter ring, you can Mount or weld that to your vac, Here is a good example from one of my local Car washes, I’ll get a better photo so that way you can see what they’ve done

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Outstanding!!
Someone identified this condition as a risk and addressed it masterfully.

 

[edredtop]

Not novel at all. However as to an "Industry Concern" "The Industry" seems to have concerns over things more likely to occur.

Thanks Earl,
I Agree, it's not a "concern" now, but if these adapters become a popular item that may change.
Operator awareness is the goal.

 

[ACTcarwashlover]

Outstanding!!
Someone identified this condition as a risk and addressed it masterfully.

Well thank you, also I got a better photo as well, by the way as the old saying goes, “if it’s yours you can do what you want with it” and adapting A vacuum to have mounts that properly and safely fit the Dome or housing is no exception