soonermajic
Well-known member
Can anyone on here do an actual comparison of these 2 companies & 4 IBA's?
Washworld High Velocity & Razor vs. PDQ LW 4000 & 360
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I'm thinking it will be hard to do a real world comparison on these. There's a lot of factors that can affect the wash quality. The one thing I noticed about your choice of machines is that they all use the inverted "L" to deliver the chemicals and water. You should take a look at the Istobal M24. It has a top bar that lowers and contours the vehicle. All other things being equal, it will out clean the car and do it faster. And yes, I do sell them. But I like dealing with cutting edge stuff.
There is probably a little more maintenance on a bridge unit over an inverted L. Cleaning has a lot to do with your choice of chemicals but in the majority of cases most bridge units will clean better and faster than an inverted L
tdlconceptsllc
Well-known member
More liability on you the Owner with a friction wash just remember that not saying there bad just a different view.
Today's friction washes are extremely safe. Damage claims are a fact of life for all types of washes. I don't think one should pick equipment based on potential damage claims over what they think will best serve their market.
robert roman
Bob Roman
There is virtually no difference. Velocity is to Razor as 4000 is to 360. The later are as identical as former but are technically superior compared to the former.
However, I agree with Mac. If it has to be touch-less, M24 does a better job than either of the above because it has a better design and process.
However, I agree with Mac. If it has to be touch-less, M24 does a better job than either of the above because it has a better design and process.
PEI
Active member
Okay here goes. PDQ vs. Wash World, depends heavily on the distributor. Wash World is more willing to work with you over the phone directly, PDQ will want you to first work with your distributor. There are good and bad distributors for both. Get to know your distributors and look for customers of each in your area to get reviews from. Try to find ones that they did not recommend.
LW 4000 vs. WWHV. These are virtually the same machine in how they work. The 4000 is no longer made and uses technology from the 1980's and 1990's. It is a work horse that is reasonably reliable and easy to get parts for. The Virtual Treadle and A5000 are the only proprietary parts still on it. The docking dryer version can be a nightmare when it doesn't work and while you can now get Stainless Steel rails and bridges, most did not come with them. The WWHV is a better version of the LW4000 and benefits from continued advancements. It is still in production and can be outfitted with all the same pods, production arches, and undercarriage and sideblaster options. It is all stainless steel in the bay, has thicker covers, heavier steel, a better computer control system, but a smaller pump station that does not include an onboard heater or Spot Free Pump. Both the heater and Spot Free Pump must be mounted elsewhere.
The LW360 vs. WW Razor VS2. These two machines are also very much the same in the wash bay. They both eliminate the tires, spring hose and straight swivel. They both have led light packages, production arches, pods, e-track systems, VFD controlled motors, and lava arches. They are both highly programmable. The 360 has a horizontal pump station with the injectors and danfoss valves on top at about a table top height. It does not come with an onboard water tank. It has a weeker cold climate system and relies heavily on doors to keep it from freezing. The major computer controls are hidden out in the wash bay allowing the distributor to work on it without having to always have access to your equipment room. It was designed with the C-Store owner in mind and so it is set up to be worked on by a distributor. The WW Razor VS2 uses the same vertical pump station as the WWHV and has a similar JO cabinet. Its belt drive system is easier to work on and its covers are heavier. Wash World builds its car washes with the non C-Store owner in mind. It is set up so that it can be worked on by the owner and not need the distributor except for parts. I have talked to owners of both and they are very reliable with alot less of the headache parts on the LW4000 and WWHV.
I hope that helps.
LW 4000 vs. WWHV. These are virtually the same machine in how they work. The 4000 is no longer made and uses technology from the 1980's and 1990's. It is a work horse that is reasonably reliable and easy to get parts for. The Virtual Treadle and A5000 are the only proprietary parts still on it. The docking dryer version can be a nightmare when it doesn't work and while you can now get Stainless Steel rails and bridges, most did not come with them. The WWHV is a better version of the LW4000 and benefits from continued advancements. It is still in production and can be outfitted with all the same pods, production arches, and undercarriage and sideblaster options. It is all stainless steel in the bay, has thicker covers, heavier steel, a better computer control system, but a smaller pump station that does not include an onboard heater or Spot Free Pump. Both the heater and Spot Free Pump must be mounted elsewhere.
The LW360 vs. WW Razor VS2. These two machines are also very much the same in the wash bay. They both eliminate the tires, spring hose and straight swivel. They both have led light packages, production arches, pods, e-track systems, VFD controlled motors, and lava arches. They are both highly programmable. The 360 has a horizontal pump station with the injectors and danfoss valves on top at about a table top height. It does not come with an onboard water tank. It has a weeker cold climate system and relies heavily on doors to keep it from freezing. The major computer controls are hidden out in the wash bay allowing the distributor to work on it without having to always have access to your equipment room. It was designed with the C-Store owner in mind and so it is set up to be worked on by a distributor. The WW Razor VS2 uses the same vertical pump station as the WWHV and has a similar JO cabinet. Its belt drive system is easier to work on and its covers are heavier. Wash World builds its car washes with the non C-Store owner in mind. It is set up so that it can be worked on by the owner and not need the distributor except for parts. I have talked to owners of both and they are very reliable with alot less of the headache parts on the LW4000 and WWHV.
I hope that helps.
soonermajic
Well-known member
It appears like the M24 can not do Duallys....? My wash needs to do Duallys. Most folks I talk to feel closterphobic withe gantry & huge pipes on the ground.
How much is a new M24?
How much is a new M24?
tdlconceptsllc
Well-known member
Ric how do you order directly from WashWorld I have tryed this twice with Peggy Bartles parts lady from Washworld tell me the secret. I even went to the extent of a freind of mine order parts and they turned him down also. I heard that around 5 years ago they would sell parts to anyone but not now. tell me how or send me a PM thank you.
Ric
Cantree Member
Boy that distibutor problem is a pain in the A$$. im considering changing my IBA because of same problem need part bad lag time manufacture wont sell to me! and I think info I get is half correct and half to sell me more parts gets ticked off if you buy anything from kleen rite but his parts are 3 times the price and they are getting ALOT of my money! im about done with it!
wash4me
Member
You just tell them you are aware that you can get it from the distributor but you want to order directly from them. Often the distributor is selling at full list price. If this is the case then the only benefit is if the distributor may have it in stock now.
tdlconceptsllc
Well-known member
Maybe you guys can sweet talk Mrs. Peggy better than me or something, but I have tried twice over the past 6 months and 2 other local operators in my area have the same problem as I am having and they have been buying directly from them for like 10 years, a guy told me there doing away with this because there not in the business to refurbish Laser wash 4000's which I personally have and they want to sell more WashWorld's new machines makes sense though. Try to sweet talk Peggy Bartles. I have and no luck and I was super nice and polite.
I am not aware of any manufacturer that will sell parts into an area where they have a distributor, especially if the distributor has an exclusive. I am not saying I agree with that policy but it is the reality of the situation in most areas.
