X10 Coin Mechs "stealing" New Canadian $1 & $2 coins on Gold Lines?

[Hoser06]

Hi all. I'm wondering if there have been other reports of coin mech issues associated with the new Canadian one and two dollar coins with IDX X10s.

The coins were recently introduced to the market with different alloys.
So different that they have to be programed as new coin types or tokens.

My self serve bays and vacs have IDX MA800s and after learning the two new alloy coins in separate coin positions, they have been solid. But they have to be learned as separate coin types, rather than with the older generation coins.

On my 3 Gold lines, the X10s are intermittently not sensing the newly learned coins and just stealing them instead of rejecting to the coin return. The coin mechs are of varying ages, clean and functioning fine with the older coins.

Is this a known issue with the new coins? Are there other alternative coin mechs for the Gold Lines? Again my 16 IDX MA800s are all doing fine with the new coins. The new $1 and $2 coins are now widely circulated so finding a solution quick is important.


Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

 

[Randy]

How are you programming the new coins into the ACW X-10 coin acceptor? Each of the two X-10 coin acceptors, if you’re using two is programmed differently. What coins are you accepting into the ACW Hopper side of the ACW? The MA-800 coin acceptors that are used in the bays/vacuums are a completely different coin acceptor from the X-10 coin acceptor that is used in the ACW’s. Are you accepting tokens?

 

[bigleo48]

I've tried all kinds of coin mechs here in Canuckland. I use this one now exclusively;
http://www.magikist.com/index.php?pid=4&sec=6000&sub=6010&product=247

You can get also get it as a relay type.

 

[Randy]

It would be nice if it was that simple, but it’s not. The model IDX X-10 coin acceptor that is used in the Goldline ACW is made for the Goldline ACW and no other coin acceptor will work in its place, the coin pulse duration is different for each coin channel so the controller can recognize the coin that has just been accepted and give the proper credit, that's one of the reasons they cost the big bucks. The multi-coin acceptors that are used in the bays and vacuums only have one coin pulse duration.

 

[Hoser06]

How are you programming the new coins into the ACW X-10 coin acceptor? Each of the two X-10 coin acceptors, if you’re using two is programmed differently. What coins are you accepting into the ACW Hopper side of the ACW? The MA-800 coin acceptors that are used in the bays/vacuums are a completely different coin acceptor from the X-10 coin acceptor that is used in the ACW’s. Are you accepting tokens?

Thanks for your assistance.

Hopper side acceptor, $1 coins only.
Pos 1: $1 coins from past generations, one pulses.
Pos 2: New $1 coin, one pulse.

The new coins can't be learned with the older generations, they are to different an alloy. I learn 6 coin samples for each position, just like an MA800.

Left most Acceptor, $1 coins, $2 coins and a security token.
Pos 1: $1 coins from past generations, four pulses.
Pos 2: $2 coins from past generations, eight pulses.
Pos 3: Security Token, one pulses.
Pos 4: New $1 coin, four pulses.
Pos 5: New $2 coin, eight pulses.

I am aware that a MA800 differs from an X10. I'm simply making the point that the MA800s are handling the new coins just fine and the X10s are not.

 

[bigleo48]

The ones I use have two pulse durations.

 

[Randy]

Thanks for your assistance.

Hopper side acceptor, $1 coins only.
Pos 1: $1 coins from past generations, one pulses.
Pos 2: New $1 coin, one pulse.

The new coins can't be learned with the older generations, they are to different an alloy. I learn 6 coin samples for each position, just like an MA800.

Left most Acceptor, $1 coins, $2 coins and a security token.
Pos 1: $1 coins from past generations, four pulses.
Pos 2: $2 coins from past generations, eight pulses.
Pos 3: Security Token, one pulses.
Pos 4: New $1 coin, four pulses.
Pos 5: New $2 coin, eight pulses.

I am aware that a MA800 differs from an X10. I'm simply making the point that the MA800s are handling the new coins just fine and the X10s are not.

What your trying to do should work. Have you contacted Hamilton or IDX yet? Mike Oliver is good contact at IDX.