OK, I knew that would grab your attention. The reason I bring this up is that I was having a conversation and we noticed that young women today are more developed, breast wise, than when we were that age. Trust me, as a guy we notice those things. I also noted how overweight most people are. Look at pictures or videos of people from the 50s and 60s. Then it hit me. All the animals we eat today are fed growth hormones. Maybe not fish, but all the mammals are fed this stuff. When we consume the meat there are still traces that survived the cooking process. I mean a chicken is ready for consumption in mere weeks. A turkey in about a year. So now the question is, is the tradeoff between eye candy and obesity any bother? Inquiring minds want to know.
Young girls and large breasts
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Just wondering if we should feed them the meat the largest amount only.
Seriously-- my family noticed that and the obesity, and the super tall girls my daughter has as friends. My family went vegetarian almost 4 yrs ago.
I went kicking and bitchin about it, and still went out for burgers with friends.
The wife started with one meal a week then 2 then 3, and then completely.
It was tougher to get used to that idea and i wanted to go to lunch on fridays for big burgers with friends, but found i couldn't as my body got used to eating less fat and grease- the burgers gave me the trots. Revolting to meat. Amys- Boca and quorn are all very good substitutes. I weigh 15lbs less and feel better than i did 4 yrs ago. My mother a big meat eater just got a colostomy bag this month, and givin less than 2yrs at age 72. The doctor from india didn't blame beef as much as processed sandwich meat-bologny-salami- sausage- summer sausage- as possibilities
I try to challenge everyone to try B kings new Veggie Burger--No it will not
taste like a hamburger- a little drier but with condiments pretty good.
While we never drank much milk - we started drinking almond milk- alot better for you than milk and creamier on cereal. We were concerned with the growth hormones in meat carrying over to milk.
why is -ADD- Diabetes-autism-and cancer seeming more prevalent than ever. I almost forgot good sized Tatas
http://www.quorn.us/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/plant-based-diet_b_1981838.html?utm_hp_ref=email_share
Seriously-- my family noticed that and the obesity, and the super tall girls my daughter has as friends. My family went vegetarian almost 4 yrs ago.
I went kicking and bitchin about it, and still went out for burgers with friends.
The wife started with one meal a week then 2 then 3, and then completely.
It was tougher to get used to that idea and i wanted to go to lunch on fridays for big burgers with friends, but found i couldn't as my body got used to eating less fat and grease- the burgers gave me the trots. Revolting to meat. Amys- Boca and quorn are all very good substitutes. I weigh 15lbs less and feel better than i did 4 yrs ago. My mother a big meat eater just got a colostomy bag this month, and givin less than 2yrs at age 72. The doctor from india didn't blame beef as much as processed sandwich meat-bologny-salami- sausage- summer sausage- as possibilities
I try to challenge everyone to try B kings new Veggie Burger--No it will not
taste like a hamburger- a little drier but with condiments pretty good.
While we never drank much milk - we started drinking almond milk- alot better for you than milk and creamier on cereal. We were concerned with the growth hormones in meat carrying over to milk.
why is -ADD- Diabetes-autism-and cancer seeming more prevalent than ever. I almost forgot good sized Tatas
http://www.quorn.us/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/plant-based-diet_b_1981838.html?utm_hp_ref=email_share
pitzerwm
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There is no doubt that we are killing ourselves with what we eat and somewhat we breath. AT my age, I'm not all that worried about it, but I choose moderation in everything.
I was watching a documentary on the genetically modified seeds from Monsanto, there was no argument that when they were introduced 1995 that childhood allergies and other childhood problems started. One fact was that Europe didn't allow the seeds or the food and they didn't see this happen.
I was watching a documentary on the genetically modified seeds from Monsanto, there was no argument that when they were introduced 1995 that childhood allergies and other childhood problems started. One fact was that Europe didn't allow the seeds or the food and they didn't see this happen.
seattleguy
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Mac - glad to see you are leaning left like us liberals on west coast. It is a serious issue. I think EU has GMO products - at least I know the corn was a few years ago.
PaulLovesJamie
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mac, in principle I agree with you, but there are a few things that continue to confuse me. I'm not directing my comments at you or any other individuals, just venting some frustrated confusion...
I have for years, in fact I'm looking out my office window at a couple dozen chickens right now... Yes there are a couple breeds that grow incredibly fast, they've been genetically selected for rapid growth; much like dogs, cats, horses, etc, they're selected for specific purposes. But it's not days compared to months like your comment implies, its more like 8-12 weeks (depending on breed & size) as opposed to 16-24 weeks. And of the dozens of people I know who raise chickens/turkeys for meat & eggs, none of use use any hormones. In fact I dont think I've even used any antibiotics in the last 8-10 years.
Yes I've "heard" horror stories about commercial poultry farms, I cant really say whats true there and whats not. BUT I do have personal experience with one poultry farm. Its not as organic as my chickens, but it is nothing at all like you might think. It is clean, well run, humane, and uses the bare minimum of antibiotics and no hormones that I know of.
I call BS. 75 - 95% of the meat my family eats 0 growth hormones. I know because I know where it came from. Exactly. (The remaining 5-25% I'm not sure about, and yes I'm concerned.) I do agree there is a problem with what I call "city supermarket plasticized food," but the root of the problem IMO is that people choose to buy it. the choice is there, most people are not willing to pay the difference. So... if you think its a bad thing, why do you buy it?
Have you ever raised chickens or turkeys?
I have for years, in fact I'm looking out my office window at a couple dozen chickens right now... Yes there are a couple breeds that grow incredibly fast, they've been genetically selected for rapid growth; much like dogs, cats, horses, etc, they're selected for specific purposes. But it's not days compared to months like your comment implies, its more like 8-12 weeks (depending on breed & size) as opposed to 16-24 weeks. And of the dozens of people I know who raise chickens/turkeys for meat & eggs, none of use use any hormones. In fact I dont think I've even used any antibiotics in the last 8-10 years.
Yes I've "heard" horror stories about commercial poultry farms, I cant really say whats true there and whats not. BUT I do have personal experience with one poultry farm. Its not as organic as my chickens, but it is nothing at all like you might think. It is clean, well run, humane, and uses the bare minimum of antibiotics and no hormones that I know of.
PaulLovesJamie
rural 5 bay SS
You have my most sincere condolences.
Seriously - I do respect your choice, but not the decision.
Have you ever made bologna? sausage? etc? (I'll bet a significant sum that the indian dr has not.)
I do, in fact I make quite a bit of it.
Do you know how you make "processed meat"? You cut it up into tiny little pieces (usually with a grinder), add spices, put it into a casing, and cook it. Yup, thats it. Well, ok, sometimes I smoke it too.
hot dogs. kielbasa. italian sausage. bratwurst. pepperoni... Mmmmmm...
full disclosure: I do get what you're saying, and I admit that I generally do not add cure to mine. But before somebody goes off on a rant about additives and preservatives please do some balanced research on the subject including the history of food preservation and the FDA regulations. Not to mention which common foods naturally contain the same chemicals we decry as evil...
seattleguy
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We buy a half cow each year fro a free range rancher. I guess it is healthier than supermarket meat, but it also has a much better flavor and texture. Slightly gamier - not everyone likes it as much as corn feed beef.
MEP001
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That's how you and I would make it, but I'm guessing you haven't seen how "they" (the mass beef and pork producers and processors) do. Aside from raising the animals in deplorable conditions and sometimes slaughtering them by suffocation, they then press every last bit of usable meat and juice from the carcass, grind the meat from literally thousands of different animals into one batch, then treat it with ammonia (because the odds of an animal having e-coli due to mass is greater than one in 100).PaulLovesJamie said:
And yes, people can choose not to buy it, but many don't even know the difference, and many can't afford the more wholesome alternatives.
Thanks all for the thoughtful comments. This is an issue. For years, in my misspent youth, I lived on bar snacks. I'm not kidding. Part of the solution for thinking people is knowing the alternatives. When I'm fortunate to live we get the fish right out of the Gulf of Mexico. It's unbelivably great. Unfortunately it costs about 50% more than beef. I lived in Iowa for many years and the smaller cafes that raised their oun beef matched anything you could get in Chicago or anywhere elese. Meanwhile I'll do more research on the breast development part.
pitzerwm
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The really sad part is that 66% of our population is over weight or obese. The additional health issues alone will destroy our medical system, especially now with O care. Another side to this is that when these obese people were surveyed, they did not think that they were obese, but their "neighbor" was.
Being single, I do on-line dating some, and 90% of the women that post that they have an average body type are anywhere from 30-50 pounds over weight. Sadly they are actually average today.
Being single, I do on-line dating some, and 90% of the women that post that they have an average body type are anywhere from 30-50 pounds over weight. Sadly they are actually average today.
robert roman
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If there was a correlation between growth hormones in food products and the physical development of humans in terms of body part size, should we not see “numbers” of people walking around with abnormally large heads, hands, feet, etc.?
Since this does not seem to be the case, I suspect your theory regarding hormones in food and breast size may have more to do with a hyperactive libido than science. LOL
Now, if you said growth hormones in food may have an adverse affect on common sense and intelligence of people, you might be on to something.
Since this does not seem to be the case, I suspect your theory regarding hormones in food and breast size may have more to do with a hyperactive libido than science. LOL
Now, if you said growth hormones in food may have an adverse affect on common sense and intelligence of people, you might be on to something.
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I just came off a cruise. I would say that 90% off the people were clinically obese, more than 50% were morbidly obese. Only the staff seemed to be thin. People's diet on the ship was extremely bad. People seem conditioned now to eat garbage. It tastes good (to them) at least initially, filling, cheap and quick. We look at what people buy at the grocery store and they mostly buy junk. Much of it processed, sweet and salty. Way to many sweets/snacks, pop, fatty cuts of meat and bad bread. Very few exerciser. On the cruise-ship my wife would get up at 7AM to run on the top deck. She was alone (and there's 2500 on-board!)...she'd wonder about it till she was done and walk down to the food floor...it seemed everyone was eating! Same after dinner, we would walk around the top deck and still...nobody!!! Then we realized that the elevator stopped a level before the top and you needed to walk up about 20 steps to get to the top deck. We figured most were unable to actually do it without struggling. Very very scary.
About six months ago, we really started looking at our diets. The more we looked at the dietary label, the more it became apparent that everything out of a box is bad. So we now have a no box rule. I lost 15 lbs (now in normal range BMI), eat better, costs the same, but takes more time. We eat less bread and more protein. Now we can no longer eat 'fatty meals' without feeling it and sometimes feeling sick over a huge intake of calories. I figure our bodies have adjusted to a more normal diet.
About six months ago, we really started looking at our diets. The more we looked at the dietary label, the more it became apparent that everything out of a box is bad. So we now have a no box rule. I lost 15 lbs (now in normal range BMI), eat better, costs the same, but takes more time. We eat less bread and more protein. Now we can no longer eat 'fatty meals' without feeling it and sometimes feeling sick over a huge intake of calories. I figure our bodies have adjusted to a more normal diet.
MEP001
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I saw a guy about 30 years old at Sam's who was so out of shape he was struggling to lift a 24-can case of Coke out of his cart. It made me sick. People don't know what "work" is anymore.bigleo48 said:
seattleguy
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I know you guys are a pretty conservative lot, but based on this thread I am curious what you think of Bloomberg's ban on large sodas?
pitzerwm
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It is probably less than peeing on a forest fire, but where do you stop? There is no shortage of stupid people doing stupid things, I just have a problem with the government telling me when & where I can do whatever.
We have become a nation dependent on the government to wipe our noses.
We have become a nation dependent on the government to wipe our noses.
seattleguy
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Bill I agree with you on this one. Personally I don't like pot, but I think we made the right choice here in Washington to legalize it. I don't like big government telling me what I can and cannot do. It's like the gun control nuts.... Or anti smoking zealots...more people die from being obese but it is considered a disease and it isn't pc to tell them they are fat and going to die of heart disease.
