This site has far too many examples of unscrupolus people posing as distributors and ripping off people. Most people responding to these affairs usually state that buyers should just do better due dilligance. Well Wash World has taken a proactive step that I hope others follow. One of the perps, a Kyle Duncan and his company Prestige Car Wash Systems, was listed as a distributor for Wash World on their web site, but after they were informed of this person's track record in Florida, have removed him from their web site as a distributor. It's a start and they deserve a thank you for it.
A tip of the hat to Wash World
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RykoPro
Technician/Manager
Mac,
This is the first time I have heard of people getting ripped off because of this site? I think most here are fairly honest about what they do. Maybe I am too willing to trust people, I do try to focus on the good things I see in people. Do you have any examples of misrepresentation and theft directly related to this site? I do not doubt this has happened but I would be surprised if this is a regular occurrence. I myself have had a few sales that came directly from this site and have yet to have a complaint from anyone. Sales are not why I am here, I like to learn from and also help others. I have ALLOT more respect for self serve and full service tunnel operators after coming to this site. I think it makes me a better service manager when I am able to understand what problems owners face in their daily business operations.
I do agree that it seems too many manufactures will make anyone a distributor. I have nothing against wash world but why was this company listed as a distributor on the WW web site in the first place? Who informed them of the "track record" and why were they allowed to be a distributor, did no one even check them out? I see many companies that will make almost anyone a distributor, normally this is offered after a machine purchase by the considered distributor. I can only speak from my 18 years of working on Ryko's that Ryko distributors are held to a standard that relies on customer satisfaction. Ryko will discontinue distributorship if area customers needs are not being met. I have worked in two states that went direct after a distributor was asked to discontinue working on behalf of Ryko.
Thank you,
Mark
bneckrock
Bill Neckrock
Mark-
I think you misread Mac's post. He was commenting on the number of posts that recounted bad business practices, not that this site promoted them. At least that's what I took away from Mac's post.
I think you misread Mac's post. He was commenting on the number of posts that recounted bad business practices, not that this site promoted them. At least that's what I took away from Mac's post.
pitzerwm
Active member
Ryko-Pro, you misunderstood Mac, he was saying that many people trying to get into this business get ripped off. Not people using the forum. Actually the Forum has stopped/intervened in, more than a couple of problems. And actually have been blamed for a couple of companies going out of business.
I too congratulate Wash World for looking into a problem and taking action. Another reason that they are a sponsor of the Forum.
I too congratulate Wash World for looking into a problem and taking action. Another reason that they are a sponsor of the Forum.
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
I see what you are saying but I am not sure I misread it, it was just not clearly stated: "This site has far too many examples of unscrupolus people posing as distributors and ripping off people."
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
I understand that Mac's opening statement was poorly written. I still do not understand why this local compeditor of Mac's was listed as a distributor in the first place if the their track record was so poor?
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
Maybe I misunderstood this too. Was this company listed as a dist. on the WW site or were they listing them selves as a WW dist. on their own web site?
Fatboy769
Living the American Dream
They were listed on WW site.
pitzerwm
Active member
I guess, I should put my glasses on when I read the posts. Yes, Mac did say that there were unscrupulous distr. When I find out about it, I'll be banning them. I would think that anyone that uses the forum would have enough info, not to get taken by anyone, but I could be wrong.
I would like to clearly state, that anyone that is less than honest in their dealings & are members of the Forum, will probably regret it. There is one distr. that I talked to the manuf. about and his position was/is in jeopardy. I didn't get a report on him, he stupidly messed with me.
I would like to clearly state, that anyone that is less than honest in their dealings & are members of the Forum, will probably regret it. There is one distr. that I talked to the manuf. about and his position was/is in jeopardy. I didn't get a report on him, he stupidly messed with me.
There must be some truth to the old adage thast no good deed goes unpunished. I was referring to a guy down here that has left a trail of not just bad business decisions, but outright criminal activity. I was NOT referring to this site. Jeeze, if I did that Bill would send his guys in the trench coats to talk to me. I may be somewhat courageous, but I know my place. To give you an idea of Kyle's actions, his last sale here, right before the guy was susposed to open, after an installation that took about 4 times longer than most, he tells the guy thta he's broke and spent all the money, and sorry, but that last $75,000 of equipment needed to finish the install, just ain't gonna be there. The owner had to rebuy it from other sources. This owner is a former police guy who you would think could sue Kyle. In FL it's very tough to prove criminal intent. Kyle also has nothing in his name. So even if you sue and win, you get nothing. And you can bet that he will still be around selling for someone else. Just not Wash World. Or Magic Wand. Or Mark7. Or Autec.
Red Baron
Active member
I can't believe you would trash this Kyle guy as you have. It sounds to me like he's just a hard luck guy who needs a break. In the interest of that, I suggest everyone in Florida who has a car wash give Kyle call to come and give you a proposal to build a new wash. Even (especially) if you aren't planning to build another car wash, get the guy to drive to your town to give you an estimate. Have him driving all over the state getting practice at bidding projects as this will surely help him to build his business.
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
I still do not understand how he was listed as a distributor on the WW web site? What info did they receive warranting his removal as a listed distributor? Was it all based on hear say Mac presents. Maybe its just me but I am always leery of those who trash their competition. I have always found if the competition is that bad, they will not be around long anyway. If you are trying to provide a service to those who may get ripped off, please have credible sources available to back up any claims of wrong doing.
Rykopro, you need to remove your rose colored glasses. There are some distributors who do good work and just screw things up on the business end. There are some who do poor work, but are gifted with a good line. Then there are some who do poor work and rip everyone off. I contacted Wash World when I saw he was a distributor,and then had some of the clients on Mr. Duncan call to relate first hand what happened. Not heresay. Haven't you ever been cheated on some business deal? Wouldn't you have wished that maybe someone had helped stop that person before he got to you? I went around to six different people who bought things from this perp. Every single one wanted to either sue him or beat the stuffings out of him. I am not afraid to bash my competition when they deserve it, just as I am not afraid to compliment them when they do a good job either.
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
Mac,
I know there are good dist and bad and all in between.
I have rarely ever been ripped off. The secret is I do not put myself in positions to be ripped off.
If these people had a good reason and "wanted to sue him", why didn't they? Are they stupid? Has this guy been convicted?
I hope for your sake all of your public acquisitions are true, otherwise this guy may want to sue you!
What you present is hearsay,
Hearsay: rumor, gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth
heard through another rather than directly; "hearsay information"
I know there are good dist and bad and all in between.
I have rarely ever been ripped off. The secret is I do not put myself in positions to be ripped off.
If these people had a good reason and "wanted to sue him", why didn't they? Are they stupid? Has this guy been convicted?
I hope for your sake all of your public acquisitions are true, otherwise this guy may want to sue you!
What you present is hearsay,
Hearsay: rumor, gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth
heard through another rather than directly; "hearsay information"
rykopro, let me just say that if all I presented was rumor, the webmaster would have deleted this the day after it was posted. I think you're taking umbridge at this because I've stepped on your toes in the past. Get over it. If you care, email me and I'll give you the phone numbers of the people here who got screwed. It is very easy to sit back and say that if you are smart, you won't get screwed. In the real world this is not true. Do you recall Jim Baker, Jim Jones, the dotcom bubble, and all the other charlatans in history? And for the record, anyone can find out where I live and either sue me or just come and punch me in the nose. Taking people to court , at least in Florida, is mostly a waste of time and money.
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
Is the "nose punching" you keep referring to now an accepted business practice in Florida?
I love your examples of the "great charlatans", who wouldn't get hustled by those guys?
Dont forget Hitler, Charles Manson and Santa Claus.
I am sure there are even more...........
Mac, my toes are just fine, I have just wasted too much time, I should have just stated the obvious in the first place: the whole thing is ridiculous, but slightly entertaining because it is so ridiculous.
Thanks for the warning Mac and great job WW! One less charleton car wash distributor in Flordia! One down........
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Keep-it Kleen
Me, Myself, and I
This site has far too many examples of unscrupolus people posing as distributors and ripping off people.
Sure does.
Sure does.
Kevin Reilly
self serve carwashes
The idea of sueing someone is ridiculous! Say he beats me out of a hundred thousand bucks, doesn't perform and or whatever. You name the crime! The Attorney's going to tell you it's going to cost this much and it will take 2 years to get into court and you will have paid the attorney probably twice the amount he quoted.
Also think of the stress and misery of going through something like this. Is it worth it? Not to me. That's why it's important to be informed and this forum is one way of hearing it. If the person/company being named is worth their salt they will come in and defend them like some have done in the past.
Don't blame Mac for printing warnings that probably needed printing especially when he's got the numbers to back it up.
Also think of the stress and misery of going through something like this. Is it worth it? Not to me. That's why it's important to be informed and this forum is one way of hearing it. If the person/company being named is worth their salt they will come in and defend them like some have done in the past.
Don't blame Mac for printing warnings that probably needed printing especially when he's got the numbers to back it up.
RykoPro
Technician/Manager
If I put myself in the position to be ripped me off, I would do something about. I may not sue, I have no experiance with the legal system and this is a good thing. If I were truly ripped off I would at least bring criminal charges agianst them. Maybe this guy does not come to this website and has no idea of the aqusations Mac has made. Its just me, I like proof and not rumors. The whole thing sounds fishy.
On the other hand it is such a great service to have Mac out his competition on this forum. JMO
On the other hand it is such a great service to have Mac out his competition on this forum. JMO
