Need all new equipment, everything !! Bought a closed down car wash in Pasadena, Texas

[Roz]

My Mentor is not letting me buy refurbish , I talk to him right now also and he said buy Coleman all new.. and there support will help us.

Here is the break down .. Please review

SIX BAY SUPER SAVER MODEL 2500
PUMPING EQUIPMENT Includes Low Pressure
Tire Cleaner, Low-Pressure Pre-Soak, High
Pressure Detergent, Foaming Brush, Rinse,
Foaming Conditioner, Clear Coat Protectant, and
High Pressure Wax*All Stainless Steel
Construction*Totally Self-contained*Removable
Pump Assembly*Model Cat 5CP2120 Pump 4.0
GPM/1000 psi*Paraplate Regulators*Open
Access to all Systems*Self Contained Chemical
Tank*Fused Terminal Blocks*3 HP 3 Phase
Motors*High and Low Pressure Gauge*Pre-wired
and Pre-Plumbed*Low Voltage Electric
Panels*Freeze Prevention System*Pump Shut-Off
Valves*Cold Water Rinse*SuperSat
Ready*Single V-Belt & Pulley*Stainless Steel
Belt Guards*Easy Access to Chemicals*System
Lettering & Decals*E.T.L. Approved VOLTAGE:
220 CYCLES: 60 PHASE: 3 B AY
EQUIPMENT*360º Stainless Steel Spring
Booms*Trigger Gun Complete with Stainless
Steel Wand Tube Barrel Insulator and Tip
Protector*12" x 12" "Squeeze Trigger"
Sign*Stainless Steel Wand and Foaming
Conditioner Holders*3/8" x 15'L Rubber
Push-Lock Nylon Braid Foaming Brush &
Foaming Conditioner Hose*Master Menu
Sign*Hog's Hair Foaming Brush with Insulated
Aluminum Handle*180º Stainless Steel Foaming
Brush and Foaming Conditioner Boom*Stainless
Steel Foaming Brush J-Hook*3/8" x 12' Bay
Hoses with Swivel*3/8" x 12" Stinger Hose $65,000

SIX BAY 2000 GPD SPOT FREE RINSE
SYSTEM ON PUMPING UNIT*Mounted on
Mega Wash MG-3000, Super Saver Model 2500,
or Power Pack*Stainless Steel Control
Panel*R.O. Production and Delivery
System*Thin Film Composite
Membrane*Computer Controlled*Flow
Meters*Solenoid Valves*Automatic Membrane
Flush*Low Pressure Cut off*Low Water Level
Cut off*3/4 1 PH Production Pump and Motor*1
HP 1 PH Delivery Pump and Motor*ProCon
Vane Pump*Indicator Lights*5 Micro
Pre-filter*2Cubic Foot Charcoal Filter*175 Gal.
Polyethylene Storage Tank (31" Diameter x 57"
Height)*3' x 6' Spot-Free Rinse Banner*E.T.L.
Approved*Spot Free Rinse Sign VOLTAGE 240
CYCLES 60 PHASE 1 $10,000


TWIN ALTERNATING TANK WATER
SOFTENER - Twin Fiberglass Tank 120K Grain
Capacity *Polyethylene Tank*Water Meter*Two
Mineral *Brine Tank *Never Runs Out of Soft
Water *One Tanks On-line While Alternate Tank
Regenerate *Larger Pipe Size*Larger Flow Rates
*4 Resin Capacity per Tank *1.5" Pipe Size
*120K Grains Capacity *GPM Flow Rate: 20/40 $7,000


WATER HEATER PROBE - 5 KW Electric
Water Heater and Controls *Adjustable
Thermostat *220vt, 3 ph $2,500


REPLACEMENT BAY MARKETING METER
DOOR w/10-POSITION SWITCH
*Ten Position Rotary Switch *Cycle Timer
1034R (Count-down Timer) *Electronic Coin
Acceptor (Accepts One Type of Coin Only)
*Meter Heater (and Drying) Kit *Full-length
Lexan Decal *Two CAM Locks *Door Gasket
*Stainless Steel Door and Hinge *12" x 12" Price
Sign *12" x 12" Last Coin Alert *Last Coin Horn
*Weight; 31 LB.
*Size: 12" x 18" x 8" D $11,000

STAINLESS STEEL COIN VAULTS SINGLE
COIN DROP - $600 CAPACITY *Stainless Steel
Construction*Size: 9-1/4" W x 9-1/4" H x 8"
D*Weight: 23 Lbs.*Medico T-Handle Lock $3,600


MOD FV3 LED/III Fragrance Vac w/LED Timer
and Crypto Pay Swipe $6,700


MOD SVSR/BTT/II Shampoo Vac w/LED Timer
and Crypto Pay Swipe $6,700


Fragramatics MD SAV Coin Operated Vac
w/Crypto Pay Swipe $11,000



Hamilton DRS-XE Double Rear-Load Changer
With Hamilton XE Validators $6000

SIX BAY INSTALLATION KIT TO
INCLUDE*850' 1/4" Tubing in Green for Tire
Cleaner *850' 1/4"Tubing in Yellow for Foam
Brush *425' 1/4" Tubing in Blue for Foaming
Conditioner*425' 3/8" Blue Tubing for Foaming
Conditioner *425' Each 3/8" Black Tubing &
Wire Braid Hose*Twelve 3/8" Wire Braid
Fittings*470' 20-Conductor Cable*100 1/4" $8000
Nail-in Anchors Designed w/


All other installation , tax and fright $15000


This all adds up to more than $185K

How can I bring this below 100K, that is my budget :|

Please guide as to what I can use refurbish and what new.
The property has nothing that I can use. everything is takin out, completely empty.

Not a bad list or quote. I would do a 3 or 4 bay setup and leave 3 bays (closest to the equipment room) to decide if you want 1 or 2 IBA (over time). You might do 3 SS, 2 IBA (eventually if electrical and water can support it), and then see if dog washes make sense for the 4th bay. Start with 3 SS and 1 IBA, grow and evaluate, then decide what to do with the other 2 bays. I purchase places that need a lot of TLC so speaking from 3 renovations. Good luck, as Randy mentioned do some homework about the area. You should also check the town water pressure in case you need a larger water pipe into the building or a constant pressure regulator.

 

[Allen]

I’d much rather have 5HP motors on the self serve pump stand instead of the 3 HP if that is an option. Customers will appreciate the extra pressure.

 

[zathura21]

I’d much rather have 5HP motors on the self serve pump stand instead of the 3 HP if that is an option. Customers will appreciate the extra pressure.

OK will check with the installer on this. Thanks

 

[MudMoney]

I can see going the all new route, if you know nothing of mechanical workings of car washes. Enough issues will come up with new install. Hopefully your mentor- distributor works out.

 

[zathura21]

I can see going the all new route, if you know nothing of mechanical workings of car washes. Enough issues will come up with new install. Hopefully your mentor- distributor works out.

My mentor is not my distributor.. All new is costing a lot and not sure SS can make that kind of money.

 

[Rfreeman]

Does your mentor have car wash experience? For your equipment list I don't know why he left the 1034 timers or XE validators in there so just curious if owns a car wash or has been around them?

Again I don't know what your skill set is and my situation is unique in that I have a small fab shop with skilled guys I can pull from to help me with about anything at my car washes. That being said I rehabbed 4 washes now and haven't spent more than $35K on any of them. That figure includes charging myself my guys time to be onsite at my car wash and not back at my other business.

Again though, I bought used and rebuilt it myself and picked it up myself. Your pump stand for $65K a used 6 bay should be around $10-$15K average, I got a 6 bay once as low as $5K!

 

[zathura21]

Does your mentor have car wash experience? For your equipment list I don't know why he left the 1034 timers or XE validators in there so just curious if owns a car wash or has been around them?

Again I don't know what your skill set is and my situation is unique in that I have a small fab shop with skilled guys I can pull from to help me with about anything at my car washes. That being said I rehabbed 4 washes now and haven't spent more than $35K on any of them. That figure includes charging myself my guys time to be onsite at my car wash and not back at my other business.

Again though, I bought used and rebuilt it myself and picked it up myself. Your pump stand for $65K a used 6 bay should be around $10-$15K average, I got a 6 bay once as low as $5K!

I have no experience in car wash industry. My mentor has car wash for 30 year in Austin.
I will ask why 1034 timers and XE validators are missing ( what are these for no idea ?)

I got a refurbished pump stand for 35K, But i don't think my mentor will allow be to buy that as I no experience.

 

[Dan kamsickas]

I have no experience in car wash industry. My mentor has car wash for 30 year in Austin.
I will ask why 1034 timers and XE validators are missing ( what are these for no idea ?)

I got a refurbished pump stand for 35K, But i don't think my mentor will allow be to buy that as I no experience.

The 1034 timer is the main brain that runs the car wash bay. Dixmor LED6 is a far superior product. It allows you to do count up with your credit card system. There doesn't appear to be one in the quote you posted. Credit card is a must.

The XE validator is the bill acceptor in your change machine. It's really not the first choice of experienced operators. It used to be Mars, now it's CPI Talos.

Please don't take this personally but I would strongly suggest you get some more education about the industry than what your "mentor" is giving you. There are a lot of carwash people in Texas. I would suggest seeking them out so you are getting multiple points of view.

 

[MudMoney]

I would suggest trips to regional car wash expos and or Ica convention. As a newbie one cannot get enough education and experience from just one former operator.My experience back before the internet 1989 to be exact I got a bank repo in rural town of 2000. Distributor 250 miles away gave a quote of $ 32000 to equipment on total rehab. I went to Ica convention and was blown away by the options in ss equipment and contacts I made and helpful car wash owners. Bought same equipment off the floor for $ 11500. Did install myself with advice from local electrician, plumber and company that sold equipment even though they never visited.

 

[Dan kamsickas]

I would suggest trips to regional car wash expos and or Ica convention. As a newbie one cannot get enough education and experience from just one former operator.My experience back before the internet 1989 to be exact I got a bank repo in rural town of 2000. Distributor 250 miles away gave a quote of $ 32000 to equipment on total rehab. I went to Ica convention and was blown away by the options in ss equipment and contacts I made and helpful car wash owners. Bought same equipment off the floor for $ 11500. Did install myself with advice from local electrician, plumber and company that sold equipment even though they never visited.

I second this. The ICA Show is May 13-15 in Nashville.

The Car Wash Show

The Car Wash Show is the premier place to see great new products and services, learn about the latest trends, and make the connections you need to succeed.

thecarwashshow.com

 

[zathura21]

I second this. The ICA Show is May 13-15 in Nashville.

The Car Wash Show

The Car Wash Show is the premier place to see great new products and services, learn about the latest trends, and make the connections you need to succeed.

thecarwashshow.com

I was there in the Dallas for the South West car wash show. Will go to the next one too.

 

[zathura21]

The 1034 timer is the main brain that runs the car wash bay. Dixmor LED6 is a far superior product. It allows you to do count up with your credit card system. There doesn't appear to be one in the quote you posted. Credit card is a must.

The XE validator is the bill acceptor in your change machine. It's really not the first choice of experienced operators. It used to be Mars, now it's CPI Talos.

Please don't take this personally but I would strongly suggest you get some more education about the industry than what your "mentor" is giving you. There are a lot of carwash people in Texas. I would suggest seeking them out so you are getting multiple points of view.

The timer was there I missed in sending.

There is the complete list

75040-1	SIX BAY SUPER SAVER MODEL 2500
PUMPING EQUIPMENT Includes Low Pressure
Tire Cleaner, Low-Pressure Pre-Soak, High
Pressure Detergent, Foaming Brush, Rinse,
Foaming Conditioner, Clear Coat Protectant, and
High Pressure Wax*All Stainless Steel
Construction*Totally Self-contained*Removable
Pump Assembly*Model Cat 5CP2120 Pump 4.0
GPM/1000 psi*Paraplate Regulators*Open
Access to all Systems*Self Contained Chemical
Tank*Fused Terminal Blocks*3 HP 3 Phase Motors*High and Low Pressure Gauge*Pre-wired and Pre-Plumbed*Low Voltage Electric
Panels*Freeze Prevention System*Pump Shut-Off
Valves*Cold Water Rinse*SuperSat
Ready*Single V-Belt & Pulley*Stainless Steel
Belt Guards*Easy Access to Chemicals*System Lettering & Decals*E.T.L. Approved VOLTAGE:
220 CYCLES: 60 PHASE: 3 BAY
EQUIPMENT*360º Stainless Steel Spring
Booms*Trigger Gun Complete with Stainless
Steel Wand Tube Barrel Insulator and Tip
Protector*12" x 12" "Squeeze Trigger"
Sign*Stainless Steel Wand and Foaming
Conditioner Holders*3/8" x 15'L Rubber
Push-Lock Nylon Braid Foaming Brush &
Foaming Conditioner Hose*Master Menu
Sign*Hog's Hair Foaming Brush with Insulated
Aluminum Handle*180º Stainless Steel Foaming
Brush and Foaming Conditioner Boom*Stainless
Steel Foaming Brush J-Hook*3/8" x 12' Bay
Hoses with Swivel*3/8" x 12" Stinger Hose
69-00111	LOW PRESSURE PRESOAK*Delivered at 50 PSI with Procon Pumps (per bay)
Pasadena, Texas 77504
ITEM	DESCRIPTION
68014-1	STAINLESS STEEL MAT HOLDER
12015​	AIR COMPRESSOR - Champion VR5-8, 5hp
3ph ODP Motor *80Gal Vertical Mounted Tank
*Mounted Control Panel *Air Cooled After
Cooler *Electronic Tank Drain *Low Oil Stop
Control *Vibration Isolation *Set Pressure 175psi
62242​	SIX BAY 2000 GPD SPOT FREE RINSE
SYSTEM ON PUMPING UNIT*Mounted on
Mega Wash MG-3000, Super Saver Model 2500,
or Power Pack*Stainless Steel Control
Panel*R.O. Production and Delivery
System*Thin Film Composite
Membrane*Computer Controlled*Flow
Meters*Solenoid Valves*Automatic Membrane
Flush*Low Pressure Cut off*Low Water Level
Cut off*3/4 1 PH Production Pump and Motor*1
HP 1 PH Delivery Pump and Motor*ProCon
Vane Pump*Indicator Lights*5 Micro
Pre-filter*2Cubic Foot Charcoal Filter*175 Gal. Polyethylene Storage Tank (31" Diameter x 57" Height)*3' x 6' Spot-Free Rinse Banner*E.T.L.
Approved*Spot Free Rinse Sign VOLTAGE 240
CYCLES 60 PHASE 1
69-62220	UPGRADE TO 265 GALLON TANK
Pasadena, Texas 77504
ITEM	DESCRIPTION
95225​	TWIN ALTERNATING TANK WATER
SOFTENER - Twin Fiberglass Tank 120K Grain
Capacity *Polyethylene Tank*Water Meter*Two
Mineral *Brine Tank *Never Runs Out of Soft
Water *One Tanks On-line While Alternate Tank
Regenerate *Larger Pipe Size*Larger Flow Rates
*4 Resin Capacity per Tank *1.5" Pipe Size
*120K Grains Capacity *GPM Flow Rate: 20/40
SPECIAL OR...	WATER HEATER PROBE - 5 KW Electric
Water Heater and Controls *Adjustable
Thermostat *220vt, 3 ph
75200​	CRYPTOPAY COORDINATOR Designed to be mounted in an equipment room *Required 120V
outlet *must be plugged into an Internet connection or modem *Can communicate up to 50 Swipers *Cat 5 cable *MyCryptoPay Site Management Tool included.
NOT INCLUDED:
Merchant Application Fee
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
Bay Marketing Meter with CryptoPay option Broadband required for high-speed credit card processing
Shri Sai RK Investments LLC
3504 Fairmont Parkway
Pasadena, Texas 77504
ITEM	DESCRIPTION
23002​	REPLACEMENT BAY MARKETING METER
DOOR w/10-POSITION SWITCH
*Ten Position Rotary Switch *Cycle Timer
1034R (Count-down Timer) *Electronic Coin
Acceptor (Accepts One Type of Coin Only)
*Meter Heater (and Drying) Kit *Full-length
Lexan Decal *Two CAM Locks *Door Gasket
*Stainless Steel Door and Hinge *12" x 12" Price Sign *12" x 12" Last Coin Alert *Last Coin Horn *Weight; 31 LB.
*Size: 12" x 18" x 8" D
69-72044	WASH-DOWN SWITCH TO POWER ROTARY SWITCH
24050​	STAINLESS STEEL COIN VAULTS SINGLE
COIN DROP - $600 CAPACITY *Stainless Steel
Construction*Size: 9-1/4" W x 9-1/4" H x 8" D*Weight: 23 Lbs.*Medico T-Handle Lock
24050-2	HIGH SECURITY DOOR FRONT WITH HIGH SECURITY AMERICAN LOCK
SPECIAL OR...	MOD FV3 LED/III Fragrance Vac w/LED Timer and Crypto Pay Swipe
SPECIAL OR...	MOD SVSR/BTT/II Shampoo Vac w/LED Timer and Crypto Pay Swipe
SPECIAL OR...	Fragramatics MD SAV Coin Operated Vac w/Crypto Pay Swipe
SPECIAL OR...	Hamilton DRS-XE Double Rear-Load Changer With Hamilton XE Validators
ITEM	DESCRIPTION
52928​	SIX BAY INSTALLATION KIT TO
INCLUDE*850' 1/4" Tubing in Green for Tire
Cleaner *850' 1/4"Tubing in Yellow for Foam
Brush *425' 1/4" Tubing in Blue for Foaming
Conditioner*425' 3/8" Blue Tubing for Foaming
Conditioner *425' Each 3/8" Black Tubing &
Wire Braid Hose*Twelve 3/8" Wire Braid
Fittings*470' 20-Conductor Cable*100 1/4" Nail-in Anchors Designed w/Equipment Room
in the Middle Configuration

Cost around $185K

 

[Rfreeman]

I was there in the Dallas for the South West car wash show. Will go to the next one too.

Should have posted something because I was there would have been glad to sit down and talk shop with you or take you to my sites

 

[pgrzes]

Reach out if you would like to chat? I have done a few rehabs both with new and used equip. Am getting ready to do a 3+1 now in Central Pa. Look me up on Facebook to message, not on the forum much anymore.

 

[Greg Pack]

Zathura21, It's been a few weeks. Any updates?

 

[water guy]

This guy is not using refurbished equipment.

 

[MudMoney]

Appears to be a waste of the forums time

 

[Randy]

Appears to be a waste of the forums time

Thanks kind of what I was kind of thinking. I don’t know how many times over the years I’ve seen a new investor buy a run down or closed car wash sink a whole bunch of money into it and be disappointed at the merger return. They watch the garbage videos on YouTube on how to get rich in the car wash business. There’s a reason the car wash closed or is terribly run down.

 

[washnshine]

No doubt it looks very cool, sleek and modern. I’ve seen a few posts about ss touchscreens on this forum before and the number one fear everyone seems to voice is potential vandalism and the problems it would cause, in terms of function and repair cost, on a screen like this versus a metal box. Unfortunately, many operators have this consideration.

 

[washworkspaul]

They actually provide a large screen protector similar to the tempered glass on cell phones. We've only had to replace one so far, and that's it.