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GinSan The Ultimate System , for a 3-bay has --- tire cleaner, Pre-Soak, Foam Brush. It's only about 10 yrs old, but spent the past 5 of those 10 years in storage... It looks new, as it was at a wash that closed down, due to lack of business.

I thought I was getting brackets w/ my Laser, but turns out not. I need brackets. Let me know if you have any, & you are anywhere near Tx.

thanks/ Has anyone used a construction company & private electrician & plumber? NO WAY I can afford $20k!

What would be a good deal, on a price, for someone to install a used laserwash 4000 in my Wash? Virtual treddle, 3x foam, pay station & on board dryers. I already have a pay-station, but am removing it....along w/ my D&S 5000. Son & I will be around to help as much as possible. Wash is already...

Good ideas. Robert, it's not just the front door. My Wash is too small of a lot to change it any. It is not configured like you are thinking. Thanks though

I have 4 covered vacuum stations, & in between them it is very tight. The vacuum islands are on brick, & from time to time a car door bumps them pretty good. My question: what could I put on the inside edge of the bricks, kinda like door edge guards for cars, that would cover the edges of the...

So what's a typical lp soap you guys use on your Laser's? What does anyone on here prefer for their 3x foam? Does anbody use Rain X as a drying agent?

I still don't know what Pre-Soak is most used. We did get a lil off topic, but no biggie. I used Lustra Drum Pack for Pre-soak. Works very good, but higher than a Giraffe's A$$. I am switching to Kleen Rite Mean Green, or something like that. It's 1/3 the cost, & mixes fairly close. Gonna try it...

Slash007 described my Wash exactly. 2Biz, you make some interesting points, however....that is over my head. I JUST STARTED in the biz, & feel like I'm trying to learn Chinese arithmetic from some of you guys. lol

Any of you guys use Kleen Green, by Simoniz? It's only $50 for 50 lb & mixes in a 50 gallon drum (dilute 25/1...Blue tip , I think). My Lustra drum pack is same weight & mixture, but costs $165 ! That's DOUBLE the amount!

Robert, The clientele in my area are HOOKED on Pre-Soak, & I feel like they would go elsewhere if I dumped the Pre-Soak & Tire cleaner. I am intrigued by the Tri-Foam, but wonder how much it would cost to add that feature, & then keep it going...? You have made some good points & offerd good...

How do you guys make money then? I only charge .50 for Vacuums, & think I should go to .75. I KNOW there will be some complaints though, but 50 cents seems cheap. Very economically depressed area. My Manual bays are $1.50 start up, for 5:00 minutes. Don't offer many choices: HP Soap, Spot Free...

What are some of the better Pre-Soaks out there? I use Lustra drum pack. It's about $165, works pretty good, but VERY expensive. Any that work great from Kleen-Rite, or someone else? I'm brand new to the Car Wash business, & trying to learn all I can...

Have had a guy approach me about doing this on my Car Wash lot. I didn't even k ow there was sanding involved. Thought there was only kits that were used...?

I think that's correct. here's what I'm looking for: 1. Pre-soak (what actual soap do you use) 2. drying agent (what wax/drying agent do you use) 3. 3x foam (which foam, & are there 3 different buckets you have to draw from) 4. HP Soap (or whichever soap you use for lp/hp)

SO, 1. Is a water Softener really needed? If so, why? 2. Should you do Spot Free after, or before wax 3. what's the general consensus, of the wash cycle (i.e. pre-soak, hp rinse, 3x foam, drying agent, hp rinse, S-F rinse...?)?

My water softener is broke right now. Will that affect my Laserwash? Should I get it fixed ASAP? I have not installed my laser, & won't for several more weeks. When you say rinse w/ Hard/tap water, are you saying you shouldn't be using a water softener? That is what the previous owner, fo my...

Washman, why do you not have 3x foam? That is my #2 reason for switching to this Laser. #1 is ability to do duallys, & close #3 is dryers. I currently don't have dryers, ability to do 3x foam or duallys.

Could some Laser 4000 guys, or guys w/ the experience, tell me about your top 2 wash packages, & their chemical application process (including the names of the chemicals)?

I am brand new to the car Wash business. I am selling my D&S 5000, & buying a nice used Laser 4000. D&S worked great, no issues, but there are MANY Duallys in my town, hence the need to switch. have NO CLUE, what chemicals/Soaps to use in my new Laser. It has3x foam, Virtual treddle...